I'll stick to what I said: get a SN95 car, or Fox, up to the same level of performance as a new Coyote on the track, and the Coyote will run circles around it in NVH and ride comfort, as well as compliance.
Sure, you could build a complete
suspension. You could also do that with a new car.
What's your point? The OP asked how much it would take to out perform an S197 with an SN95. And NO for christ's sake, he wasn't talking about NVH, "compliance," fuel mileage, tire wear, ride, how cold the A/C can get, how loud the stereo system can go or any other asinine arguments you're trying to come up with to rub everyone's nose in the fact that new generations are improvements over the last. I don't understand why people have to jump in and answer a question like, " How much $ would it take to make an SN95 outperform a new 5.0?" with a statement like, "just buy a new one, because you can never make your car outperform a new one in every single conceivable, possible way." If the man wants to build his SN95 to go faster for less money, it is absolutely possible. Or maybe he's like me, and he just likes his car. I have a fox that at one point had a twin-turbo kit, Steeda
suspension, Baer Brakes, R-compound tires, and they still haven't made a Mustang GT that would out-accelerate, out-handle, or out-stop that car. At that point, back in 2004, I had $11k into that car total including purchase price. That car was a
in' blast! It still had A/C, & Power-steering. Still does actually. That's the kind of project the guy is asking about. Was that car more comfortable than a Bentley? Who gives a damn?
And I hate to break it to y'all, but 95% of the time, newer is better. Name one performance aspect of the new Coyote cars that isn't better than any previous Mustang.
ease and cost of DIY intallation and tuning of aftermarket performance parts.... kinda related to this thread, actually
I assume by "better" he means at doing everything and anything better.
....because let's face it, they do. There's nothing subjective about it.
Are the new cars better at the OBJECTIVE things you can measure? Probably at just about all of them. Are they better at going fast on the OP's budget? Are they better at making the OP happy/content? Are they a better financial decision in general? Are the really better? To you and me, the answer is yes, but maybe not to the OP, and that's what makes this subjective.
Ride comfort? He asked what would be needed to keep up go fast wise...not how your ass felt after riding around for two hours. Geez it sounds like the ricer arguments "Your 4.6 can beat my Civic? Well I get better gas mileage than you".
Oh...and to run with the Coyote's? See sig...and google prices on all that stuff.
Wow, finally someone who has common sense. Thank you for restoring my faith in this board and humanity.
Technically, he said how much it takes to make it "perform" as well. I guess "performance" is subjective, but to me, ride quality is a pretty important part to overall performance.
No. ride quality is not a part of out performing an S197 in the context of the OP's question, and you obviously knew that. So, I guess your intention is just to be annoying. You're doing a great job at that.
Could you make a Fox as fast as an M3 around a track? Sure. But the ride would be terrible and not likely something a lot of people (re: wives, girlfriends, kids, etc.) would enjoy very much.
And you know this because you've built a fox to do it and own the M3 to compare it to? Or are you just talking out of your ass? Did you know, the new S197s are solid axles, RWD, V8 cars cars too? The GT tests right there with the M3, and a Boss 302, and GT500 will outrun them. You could install coil-overs with progressive rate springs, bigger brakes, and engine modifications that would absolutely allow you to make it outrun an M3 around a track AND improve the ride at the same time. They do not have some special segment of physics that only applies to them. Your blanket statement is wrong.
It also probably wouldn't be as compliant, either, meaning that as soon as you left a perfect track surface for one with bumps and non-perfectness, the performance would decrease as well.
Obviously performance would also decrease for the M3 over bumps and imperfections on the road surface. You're thinking small, in terms of modification, but it's irrelevent, anyway.