It Shoulda Been Called A Mach1

[Bullitt347]

What vehicle does/did Roush manufacture? I thought they've always bought some mustangs and threw some of their performance parts on it and then labeled it as their own. If that's the case then I have a '95 SVE GT . Does Roush have a car their own like how Saleen has the s7 or whatever?

They now have the Stage 1,2 and 3 Roush cars. All have full factory warranty and have passed federal emissions standards. The start out with a base Mustang just like Saleen does. They offer different options, much like the factory and Saleen does. They have to meet the federal standards of a vehicle manufacturer, unlike say Steeda which is a "tuner car". Even though the Steeda cars have full factory warranty. I think a lot of it comes down to volume. If you exceed a certain volume of production then you must meet manufacturer standards as opposed to being a "tuner car". Lingenfelter and Henessey are "tuner cars". They are not considered a automobile manufacturer. This is my understanding of it. If I am wrong, I am sure that someone will be more than happy to point out the error lol.

 

[89oem]

Agree with y'all, however 69 Boss has a certain ring to it...

 

[89oem]

Sounds to me like Ford is outsourcing a performance model to Roush...

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

Hmm You can tell the age of the respondents by the version of the car they refer to.

I'm not talking about the mach1 "edition" of some new edge GT. I'm talking about the Mach 1 when it was the GT.

In 1969, Mustang was offered in 4 trim levels:
Grande, Covertible, Sports roof, and Mach 1.
Boss 302, and Boss 429 started life as Sports roofs.

Mach 1 (You know, the one that was "nothing special") came base w/ a 290HP rated 351W w/ a 4bbl and dual exhaust. Additionally, Front disc brakes, a 9" rear, and an upgraded interior were standard equipment in that car. Above that, power were the only upgrades w/a 390, or a 428CJ.

You want some iconic words that roll off the tongue? Try saying 428 Cobra Jet.

Ford engineers admitted that they lost their Taurus customer base when they introduced the 500 namesake in it's place. That's why taurus re emerged in that body style. To me, mach 1 was the name for the top tier sports coupe offered by ford, and if they weren't so busy trying to bury the Mustang II, and all things that came with it, (including the pitiful mach 1 version of that body) the name might of survived instead of the current GT.

That was the intent of this thread, and again, it's just an opinion.

 

[FoxMustangLvr]

Hmm You can tell the age of the respondents by the version of the car they refer to.

I'm not talking about the mach1 "edition" of some new edge GT. I'm talking about the Mach 1 when it was the GT.

In 1969, Mustang was offered in 4 trim levels:
Grande, Covertible, Sports roof, and Mach 1.
Boss 302, and Boss 429 started life as Sports roofs.

Mach 1 (You know, the one that was "nothing special") came base w/ a 290HP rated 351W w/ a 4bbl and dual exhaust. Additionally, Front disc brakes, a 9" rear, and an upgraded interior were standard equipment in that car. Above that, power were the only upgrades w/a 390, or a 428CJ.

You want some iconic words that roll off the tongue? Try saying 428 Cobra Jet.

IFor engineers admitted that they lost their Taurus customer base when they introduced the 500 namesake in it's place. That's why taurus re emerged in that body style. To me, mach 1 was the name for the top tier sports coupe offered by ford, and that was the intent of this thread.
But again, it's just an opinion.

This post you just made pretty much answers why it shouldn't be called a Mach1. Are you going to go around to all the young'ins explaining this?Ford didn't bring back the 5.0 to sell to the old fart drivers of 1969 that are pinching their pennies for retirement, blue pills and heart meds. Those guys had their fun, now it's time for us to have ours.
Lets do some math:
1969 was 46 years ago, 46 years plus (the age group driving those cars back then) 18-30 yrs old, 46+18 to 30= 64 to 76 years old today. To them I say get a nice comfy Lincoln.

They're selling to the crowd that were young drivers in the late 80's to mid nineties that fell in love with the Fox platform 5.0 and all the new young drivers today that don't really know nor care what an original Mach1 entailed because today it is nothing really special when compared to several other better customized Mustang models available on the market today.

I think there is too many specialized models available and it's getting watered down too much. It's not exclusive enough anymore. Keep it Roush, SVT Cobra & Shelby along with whatever base model trim packages (GT, LX, premium). That's just my opinion.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

This post you just made pretty much answers why it shouldn't be called a Mach1. Are you going to go around to all the young'ins explaining this?Ford didn't bring back the 5.0 to sell to the old fart drivers of 1969 that are pinching their pennies for retirement, blue pills and heart meds. Those guys had their fun, now it's time for us to have ours.
Lets do some math:
1969 was 46 years ago, 46 years plus (the age group driving those cars back then) 18-30 yrs old, 46+18 to 30= 64 to 76 years old today. To them I say get a nice comfy Lincoln.

They're selling to the crowd that were young drivers in the late 80's to mid nineties that fell in love with the Fox platform 5.0 and all the new young drivers today that don't really know nor care what an original Mach1 entailed because today it is nothing really special when compared to several other better customized Mustang models available on the market today.

I think there is too many specialized models available and it's getting watered down too much. It's not exclusive enough anymore. Keep it Roush, SVT Cobra & Shelby along with whatever base model trim packages (GT, LX, premium). That's just my opinion.

You must be living under a rock.

Been to a cruise in lately? Been to a Mustang show/event?

How many freakin' S 197's populate those events?

About a bagillion.

What are the ages of those drivers?

Your age.

If somebody asked you why the S 197 was so popular, what do you s'pose the answer would be?

It looks like an older Mustang.

Ever been to Mustang Week?

There are almost a thousand of those belly buttons driving around, in one place, at the same time. How many fox mustangs are there at the same time?..............(** Hint, not even close).

(That would be all those 30-40 year old's that are now "having their fun", driving a car that harkens back to one built 40 years ago, NOT driving a fox.)

Have you looked at the new Mustang? Look at a rear 3/4 view of a 65 fastback, then look at the same angle on the new car. See anything that looks similar?

Who buys a new edge that has the names "Bullitt", an "Mach 1" on them?

(*Hint, not old fart drivers)

You can say what you want, the S197 took off, the Challenger took off, & the Camaro took off because IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONE THAT CAME FROM THE 60's.

Retro is alive and well, and the young-uns are the market.

 

[90lxwhite]

This post you just made pretty much answers why it shouldn't be called a Mach1. Are you going to go around to all the young'ins explaining this?Ford didn't bring back the 5.0 to sell to the old fart drivers of 1969 that are pinching their pennies for retirement, blue pills and heart meds. Those guys had their fun, now it's time for us to have ours.
Lets do some math:
1969 was 46 years ago, 46 years plus (the age group driving those cars back then) 18-30 yrs old, 46+18 to 30= 64 to 76 years old today. To them I say get a nice comfy Lincoln.

They're selling to the crowd that were young drivers in the late 80's to mid nineties that fell in love with the Fox platform 5.0 and all the new young drivers today that don't really know nor care what an original Mach1 entailed because today it is nothing really special when compared to several other better customized Mustang models available on the market today.

I think there is too many specialized models available and it's getting watered down too much. It's not exclusive enough anymore. Keep it Roush, SVT Cobra & Shelby along with whatever base model trim packages (GT, LX, premium). That's just my opinion.

I agree somewhat but it's just about taking "old fart" money to get into a new GT these days. Not extreme old fart that retired from a crappy job but more so upper management mid-life crisis guys and say maybe the about to be retired college professor types who invested well. Today my wife and I went out for lunch and I saw an "old fart" climbing out of a new black GT, it took him both hands to do so. He had to do the spin around, place both feet on the ground and pull up w both arms to get out.

 

[90lxwhite]

You must be living under a rock.

Been to a cruise in lately? Been to a Mustang show/event?

How many freakin' S 197's populate those events?

About a bagillion.

What are the ages of those drivers?

Your age.

If somebody asked you why the S 197 was so popular, what do you s'pose the answer would be?

It looks like an older Mustang.

Ever been to Mustang Week?

There are almost a thousand of those belly buttons driving around, in one place, at the same time. How many fox mustangs are there at the same time?..............(** Hint, not even close).

(That would be all those 30-40 year old's that are now "having their fun", driving a car that harkens back to one built 40 years ago, NOT driving a fox.)

Have you looked at the new Mustang? Look at a rear 3/4 view of a 65 fastback, then look at the same angle on the new car. See anything that looks similar?

Who buys a new edge that has the names "Bullitt", an "Mach 1" on them?

(*Hint, not old fart drivers)

You can say what you want, the S197 took off, the Challenger took off, & the Camaro took off because IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONE THAT CAME FROM THE 60's.

Retro is alive and well, and the young-uns are the market.

Yeah retro is back and they all look pretty good for the most part save for the camaro. What were they trying to do there? Mixed between an f body and I dunno what. Since you're on the "retro" kick, well my firend, the 5.0 badge is indeed "retro" now. Songs that were new when the "5.0" hit the scene are now being played on the classic rock station, but they haven't shown up on the "oldies" station yet. So the 5.0 badging is part of the "retro" styling package. They gave the old farts a fast back and the "stupid" 30-40 something's the 5.0 side marker. I haven't been to a cruise but my guess as to why there are more s197's than foxes has more to do w the age of the vehicle vs what's more popular. It's easier to find an s197 that's up and running, not rusted out or wrecked, and can be used to daily drive vs a 20 year old car and I bet quite a few of the guys are "cruising" in their dd's. It takes a bit disposable income get a 20 year old car cruise worthy my friend. As far as "5.0" meaning badass ass, well to me it means day late and a dollar short. Ford rode the 220 hp level too long.
At the end of the day you can rest ez madmike. No one's calling the new GT a 5.0 and I'm sure there will be a Mach II at some point. It'll be a warmed up GT but not quite a cobra and it'll probably run around $60k if they hurry. If they don't it'll probably be $70k with the cobra inching closer to $100k... Did you tell the wife that you got the admin job?

 

[02 281 GT]

In 1969, Mustang was offered in 4 trim levels:
Grande, Covertible, Sports roof, and Mach 1.
Boss 302, and Boss 429 started life as Sports roofs

I feel I should mention that Ford did indeed offer a GT trim package in 1969. However, the Mach 1 ended up being so popular that they produced very few GTs that year.

They're selling to the crowd that were young drivers in the late 80's to mid nineties that fell in love with the Fox platform 5.0 and all the new young drivers today that don't really know nor care what an original Mach1 entailed because today it is nothing really special when compared to several other better customized Mustang models available on the market today.

This is exactly why Ford has not (yet) dusted off the Mach 1 name plate for the current Mustang. I honestly think they'll get around to it. They've already dragged up nearly every classic Mustang name plate one can think of. I think they'll bring back the Mach 1 at some point; especially now that we have a new Mustang with the 2015s.

 

[89oem]

Still say the 69 Boss out classes the weak az Mach 1 My friend had a 71 Mach 1, big freaking aircraft carrier is all I gotta say. Ford must think so too since Boss is factory badge of the day

 

[jrichker]

Yeah retro is back and they all look pretty good for the most part save for the camaro. What were they trying to do there? Mixed between an f body and I dunno what. Since you're on the "retro" kick, well my firend, the 5.0 badge is indeed "retro" now. Songs that were new when the "5.0" hit the scene are now being played on the classic rock station, but they haven't shown up on the "oldies" station yet. So the 5.0 badging is part of the "retro" styling package. They gave the old farts a fast back and the "stupid" 30-40 something's the 5.0 side marker. I haven't been to a cruise but my guess as to why there are more s197's than foxes has more to do w the age of the vehicle vs what's more popular. It's easier to find an s197 that's up and running, not rusted out or wrecked, and can be used to daily drive vs a 20 year old car and I bet quite a few of the guys are "cruising" in their dd's. It takes a bit disposable income get a 20 year old car cruise worthy my friend. As far as "5.0" meaning badass ass, well to me it means day late and a dollar short. Ford rode the 220 hp level too long.
At the end of the day you can rest ez madmike. No one's calling the new GT a 5.0 and I'm sure there will be a Mach II at some point. It'll be a warmed up GT but not quite a cobra and it'll probably run around $60k if they hurry. If they don't it'll probably be $70k with the cobra inching closer to $100k... Did you tell the wife that you got the admin job?

The Camaro looks like some giant stepped on the roof and squashed it down. - Ugly car, doesn't begin to match the Mustang in the looks department.

 

[02 281 GT]

The Camaro looks like some giant stepped on the roof and squashed it down. - Ugly car, doesn't begin to match the Mustang in the looks department.

I've been trying to wrap my head around anything thinking it looks anything like any classic Camaro of any year ever since they introduced it. Terrible looking car; especially when compared to Mustang and Challenger.

 

[90lxwhite]

Still say the 69 Boss out classes the weak az Mach 1 My friend had a 71 Mach 1, big freaking aircraft carrier is all I gotta say. Ford must think so too since Boss is factory badge of the day

Ha yeah the 70's era

I've been trying to wrap my head around anything thinking it looks anything like any classic Camaro of any year ever since they introduced it. Terrible looking car; especially when compared to Mustang and Challenger.

there are a crap load of the v6's running around though. Guess someone likes em

 

[FoxMustangLvr]

You must be living under a rock.

Been to a cruise in lately? Been to a Mustang show/event?

Don't care about shows anymore but I go to the occasional ice cream or pizza run and cruises.

What are the ages of those drivers?
Your age.
If somebody asked you why the S 197 was so popular, what do you s'pose the answer would be?
It looks like an older Mustang.
Ever been to Mustang Week?

I'm 38 and never been to Mustang Week. Why would somebody want to go see a car show dedicated to only ONE make/model vehicle and see the same thing a thousand times? I'd rather count blades of grass in my back yard.

Have you looked at the new Mustang? Look at a rear 3/4 view of a 65 fastback, then look at the same angle on the new car. See anything that looks similar?

Who buys a new edge that has the names "Bullitt", an "Mach 1" on them?

(*Hint, not old fart drivers)

You can say what you want, the S197 took off, the Challenger took off, & the Camaro took off because IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONE THAT CAME FROM THE 60's.

Retro is alive and well, and the young-uns are the market.

My previous comment was about namesake, not body style and influence. The new 5.0 is getting further away from the "retro" look of the 60's, Ford is moving on. The 5.0 badge pays homage IMO to the Foxbody just as much as the previous body styles paid homage to the 60's. The 5.0 name became much more than just an advertisement of displacement and is Iconic which is why it's back.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

Yeah retro is back and they all look pretty good for the most part save for the camaro. What were they trying to do there? Mixed between an f

Still say the 69 Boss out classes the weak az Mach 1 My friend had a 71 Mach 1, big freaking aircraft carrier is all I gotta say. Ford must think so too since Boss is factory badge of the day

Aircraft carrier huh? Although not my favorite by no means, a 71 Boss 351 was the fastest production Mustang ever made until 2000.


Larry Rollack’s recently resurrected 1971 Boss 351 Mustang.
Greg Williams, Driving

“The hook was set, and ever since it’s been Mustangs for me,” Rollack explains.

Produced for only a single year, the 1971 Boss 351 Mustang is a rare car. Of 1,806 Boss 351s made, only the whereabouts of 591 is known.

Gallery: Celebrating 50 years of the Ford Mustang

According to Rollack the early 1970s was the end of the Ford factory-sponsored performance era. In 1970 the company pulled out of racing after winning the Trans Am Series that year, and had quit producing the popular Boss 302 engine.

Although no longer building the Boss 302 or the Boss 429, Ford wasn’t ready to retire the Boss name. Ford put together a package that included a 330 horsepower 351 cubic inch Cleveland V-8 engine with large port cylinder heads, 11.7:1 compression ratio, Ram Air and Boss-only alloy valve covers.


Larry Rollackís recently resurrected 1971 Boss 351 Mustang;s engine bay is squeaky clean.
Greg Williams, Driving

"Power was transferred through a four-speed manual transmission to a 3.91:1 rear axle with Ford’s Traction Lok. In 1971, the Boss 351 was the fastest tested Mustang, turning 13.8 seconds at 104 mph in a standing quarter mile.

There wasn’t a quicker Mustang until the Cobra R Model of 2000"

Imagine getting beat by an aircraft carrier....

 

[89oem]

LOL, not where I went to high school

 

[7991LXnSHO]

You do not have to be that old to remember Mach 1 as the bad to the bone Mustang. But I always wondered about the 69 -73 body styles. Why Ford ever made them so obese that they had to remake the Mustang from a Pinto is beyond me. And it was more than the gas crunch.

Then they copied some of the styling until 2015 just to say "here is what we meant"?

 

[7991LXnSHO]

Maybe it was a very not manly teacher in my elementary school who had one that was in very bad shape. I speculated it was to boost his ego. That may have changed my perception about the 1970 body style.

 

[Boosted92LX]

All I got to say is.. I drove a 70 Mustang (mach 1 clone) in high school and it was a bad b!tch. Would I have rather had a boss? Yes, but they were rare and expensive. The mach, even in the 80s was the car to have. The mach 1 new edge was a nice car, but imho, it didn't do the origional justice. For a 44 year old man like me, the origional mach is THE Mustang. IF they decide to release another, it better live up to the title. Talk crap about the mach all you want, if you weren't there you won't understand, and that's your loss.

 

[90lxwhite]

Maybe it was a very not manly teacher in my elementary school who had one that was in very bad shape. I speculated it was to boost his ego. That may have changed my perception about the 1970 body style.

Nah, they're just plain ugly my man.