Top End Upgrade??

[billbosc]

No I don't have a track time in mind. 11's I'm happy with. I get your point completely. This is going to be a car I rip around town. And have fun with. But I want it to be fast fun for when these backward hat low slung pants kids rev beside me with there turbo Honda or Acura or whatevr import bull they have. I want to eat them. them out. So that being said 450 is the number I like mainly because it's at the threshold of very fast street car and good little track time car. I am new to it. I don't know a lot of how it all works. So please tell me what I should start with. I have the time and I have the money. But I also hate more than anythig wasting my money. So I would love for you to drop some knowledge on this for me before I start buying these parts. Appreciated


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[billbosc]

Excuse me 450 is the number I have come to learn to be that threshold. I don't know that. Just from what I've read it that is what I have gathered


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[billbosc]

Also I've considered throwing a new top end on it and seeing where it's at. But I really have no idea what has been done to the bottom and what shape it's in. So in comes the part where I may be wasting time and money throwing a top end on it and it just killing it out anyway. Kinda the whole conundrum I'm in since buying the car. Supercharged or not I obviously want a bit more


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[FoxMustangLvr]

Your typical stock block 302 with quality aluminum based H/C/I top end upgrade and supercharger will typically net you in the 400-450hp to the wheels with a 5spd tranny. Your block at that point may be on borrowed time depending on how hard you drive it and how much boost you're making at those HP levels.

 

[89oem]

You are all over the map, is this your first car? Get it right, drive it this summer and map out a plan for this winter while the weather is unfriendly to Fox mustangs... that way youll know more about your car, its pluses and minuses and how much more you want...

Hint: 6000 RPM in first gear enough and your car wont make it to winter...

 

[TOOLOW91]

If you want to do it right ESP if you decide on a boss block your gonna spend . I have 7300 into my bottom end with the porting of the heads minus the original cost of my trick flows


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[mikestang63]

At the risk of sounding like a complete dick, may I suggest the following- google Coast High Performance and say the following when they answer.

"Hello, Mark O'neal? I'd like to speak to you about an engine."

 

[A5literMan]

Or...call Jim Woods @ Fordstrokers and talk to him.

 

[mikestang63]

Or...call Jim Woods @ Fordstrokers and talk to him.

I was thinking of Woody- excellent motors but he gets behind during race season and it takes several months for him to build you a motor. If the OP can wait, then it's well worth it. CHP can deliver an engine sooner. Both offer good stuff. Either way, he better be prepared to write a decent check.

 

[billbosc]

Yea I am talking to fordstrokers.


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[Gearbanger 101]

Yea I am talking to fordstrokers.


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Truth be told.....if you're shooting for 400-450hp for the least amount of money and hassle, put a set of new rings and bearings in your current engine, pick yourself up some used top end components (heads/intake) and lay the boost or nitrous to it. Much more cost effective and it won't hurt your drivability.

No all motor stroked and poked 302 based engine making 400-450rwhp is going to have the street manners and drivability that a bolt on, blown 302 will....and you'll retain stock like mileage anytime you're not into it to boost.

 

[billbosc]

I'll figure it all out.
I'm not worried about it. Came on here to pick up some pointers and a little knowledge,
Maybe get pointed in the right direction. Only to get a bunch of extreme variations of what each person thinks in there mind is the best thing to do. Then the negative stuff. Because some
Of you think u got it all figured out. Lol. Damn. Another one bites the nuts.


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[Gearbanger 101]

I'll figure it all out.
I'm not worried about it. Came on here to pick up some pointers and a little knowledge,
Maybe get pointed in the right direction. Only to get a bunch of extreme variations of what each person thinks in there mind is the best thing to do. Then the negative stuff. Because some
Of you think u got it all figured out. Lol. Damn. Another one bites the nuts.


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Well.....consider this. I've walked on all sides of the fence. I've gone from bolt-on stock engine, to bolt on and blown and am currently running an all motor H/C/I stroker with nitrous.....and if I were in your shoes, I'd go bolt on top end with a blower.

More sounds like better on paper, but in isn't' always the case.

 

[90lxwhite]

I'll figure it all out.
I'm not worried about it. Came on here to pick up some pointers and a little knowledge,
Maybe get pointed in the right direction. Only to get a bunch of extreme variations of what each person thinks in there mind is the best thing to do. Then the negative stuff. Because some
Of you think u got it all figured out. Lol. Damn. Another one bites the nuts.


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As said earlier, take a breath a second. I think you're on the right track with thinking that a rebuild is in order. A "new" motor shoud last you a good while and like you said, at least you'd know what ya got. If you're just looking for a fun car to cruise around on a pretty day and beat up on the young punks on occasion, you don't need an 11 sec 1/4 mile car to do that. I don't think you're realizing how fast an 11 second street car is, that's a pretty friggin fast car. If you have a "do it all" street car that can run the 1/4 mile in 11 seconds, you're darn near hanging w the "exotics" at that point. A 300-350 rear horse fox chassis mustang with a little steeper gearing than the stock 2.73 will hold its own in a street fight any day of the week. I haven't had the opportunity to try it yet but I don't think a new GT (or at least the models making 400 crank hp) would have enough road to run off and leave me too bad in a street setting. It'd be a good fight I think, I'm only making 332 at the wheels but with the 3.73 gears it doesn't take but a jiffy to get into boost. I think if you're car was up and running right you'd be suprised how quick it is. Now all that being said this is what I would do: Since it's time for a rebuild I'd pull the motor, send the bottom end to a machine shop (preferably local), have them work it over to a 306 w all new "innards", order the tfs topend kit, all of the additional air and fuel components, put it together, hook your supercharger back up, and get a tune. If you're not beating the dog pizz out of it on a daily basis it'll hold up fine. Say you make 400 horsepower at the wheels, It'll be a monster on the street, plenty fast my man. Nuttin' with saggin' jeans will be able to touch you. Hell, for that matter even if you did gt40 heads and intake inconjunction with your supercharger you'd be faster than most of the daily driver schmucks.

Either way it won't cost near as much as Woddy's strokers and w the money saved you can put it towards beefing up the transmission and suspension if needed. On top of that it wouldn't be so much of a chore to drive it to Sonic.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Now all that being said this is what I would do: Since it's time for a rebuild I'd pull the motor, send the bottom end to a machine shop (preferably local), have them work it over to a 306 w all new "innards",

Truthfully, if he's going to go through the trouble and expense of swapping out the rotating assembly, he'd be a fool not to buy a stroker. I suggested rings and bearings only because that was the inexpensive route to freshen up a high miler, but beyond that.....

For what it would cost him for new pistons, bearings, etc and a .030 overbore to punch out his stock block to a 306, he'd be further ahead calling Coast High Performance and ordering a 331/347 rotating assembly. The cost difference between the 306 and a 331/347 would be less than $500.....and that's assuming his 306 build wouldn't require rods and/or a crank.

 

[90lxwhite]

Truthfully, if he's going to go through the trouble and expense of swapping out the rotating assembly, he'd be a fool not to buy a stroker. I suggested rings and bearings only because that was the inexpensive route to freshen up a high miler, but beyond that.....

For what it would cost him for new pistons, bearings, etc and a .030 overbore to punch out his stock block to a 306, he'd be further ahead calling Coast High Performance and ordering a 331/347 rotating assembly. The cost difference between the 306 and a 331/347 would be less than $500.....and that's assuming his 306 build wouldn't require rods and/or a crank.

Fair enough but to achieve his goals he doesn't need a $20k build.

 

[Gearbanger 101]

Fair enough but to achieve his goals he doesn't need a $20k build.

$20K.....no.....but if he plans on running well into the 11's, he'd better have at least $10-12K or more set aside. That is of course, if he wants the car to survive more than a handful off runs. The under the hood stuff is gonna take a big chunk of that budget, but even that is only just part of the build. He'll never be consistent or keep the car together without addressing the suspension and chassis....and the rear end and transmission won't survive long trying to harness 400hp+ on a daily basis.

He might get away for a while on the street making that much power with stock radials out back, but as soon as you start hooking it up....things start to break.

 

[90lxwhite]

$20K.....no.....but if he plans on running well into the 11's, he'd better have at least $10-12K or more set aside. That is of course, if he wants the car to survive more than a handful off runs. The under the hood stuff is gonna take a big chunk of that budget, but even that is only just part of the build. He'll never be consistent or keep the car together without addressing the suspension and chassis....and the rear end and transmission won't survive long trying to harness 400hp+ on a daily basis.

He might get away for a while on the street making that much power with stock radials out back, but as soon as you start hooking it up....things start to break.

I know and I think shooting for an 11 second 1/4 is overkill.

 

[89oem]

Humbolt county, where maryjane grows like grass... he's using crop money... cash is no object....

 

[TOOLOW91]

I'll figure it all out.
I'm not worried about it. Came on here to pick up some pointers and a little knowledge,
Maybe get pointed in the right direction. Only to get a bunch of extreme variations of what each person thinks in there mind is the best thing to do. Then the negative stuff. Because some
Of you think u got it all figured out. Lol. Damn. Another one bites the nuts.


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I'll speak on my part here . No one is talking extreme . You mentioned a boss block I gave you boss block engine build type numbers . I had an stock re ringed 302 with the Tfs top end kit a holley Systemax and a. Vortech a trim and made 435 on 7.5 psi with a spun #4 bearing . So I went all out the second time around . Just giving you pointers and real world numbers . The block with rotating assy was 4800 . Then I did a custom grind cam , valve springs , ported my heads , MLS head gaskets , 0 balance flywheel and balancer and had him assy the full long block for me . So on my part it wasn't "extreme" I was giving you real world $ amounts


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