Im Gasket Wet With Gas

JasinC19

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Jun 7, 2011
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Started car for enough time to move it into driveway.

Pulled upper intake. Reeked of gas. Gasket was moist with fuel.

How rich should this puppy be at first start up? Wet rich? Lol.

24lb injectors with custom tune and pro m maf calibrated.


Mpg is prerty horrible...
 
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Look for a leaking or ruptured fuel pressure regulator diaphragm.
Disconnect the vacuum line from the fuel pressure regulator and the intake manifold. Blow air though it to see if fuel comes out or if it smells like fuel. If it does, then the diaphragm is leaking.
 
I will try that. Could this also cause improper fuel pressure?
Simple answer: Yes.

Read on if you want to know how it works...

How the fuel pressure regulator works

Revised 29-Aug-2013 to make the pressure/vacuum relationship clearer,

The fuel pressure regulator in 5.0 Mustangs is a shunt regulator that works in parallel with the fuel injection system. The regulator bypasses fuel back to the tank to maintain a constant 39 PSI to the injector tips. A constant pressure insures that the computer will always have the same flow rate to base its calculations on.

The 39 PSI pressure is measured at 29.92 inches of atmospheric pressure to get the proper flow rate. But the pressure inside the intake manifold may be higher or lower than the atmospheric pressure outside the intake manifold. These differences would cause the flow rate to change and mess up the computer’s air/fuel calculations.

As the vacuum inside the intake manifold increases, the effective pressure at the injector tips increases. Conversely, as vacuum inside the manifold decreases, the effective pressure at the injector tip decreases.

Some math to illustrate the effect:
39 PSI at 20” of vacuum inside the manifold works out to be 49 PSI,
since the 20 “ vacuum/2 = 10 PSI that you add to the base fuel pressure.
That gives you 49 PSI at the injector tip.
39 PSI at 5” of vacuum inside the manifold works out to be 41.5 PSI,
Since 5” vacuum/2 = 2.5 PSI that you add to the base fuel pressure
That gives you 41.5 PSI at the injector tip
39 PSI with 10 lbs of boost inside the manifold works out to be 29 PSI.
That gives you 29 PSI at the injector tip
That reduces the flow rate and explains the need for higher pressures on engines with pressurized induction.

Since intake manifold vacuum and pressure plays havoc with the pressure at the injector tips, what has to be done to get it back in the magic 39 PSI range? That’s where vacuum applied to the back side of the fuel pressure regulator comes in. Remember this: unless you have some really poorly designed or trick plumbing, vacuum is the same throughout the engine’s vacuum system.
Apply 20” of vacuum to the back of the regulator and the 49 PSI pump pressure with 20” of vacuum at the injector tips drops to 39 PSI.
Apply 5” of vacuum to the back of the regulator and the 41.5 PSI pump pressure with 5” of vacuum at the injector tips drops to 39 PSI.
Here’s another side effect: apply 10 PSI boost pressure to he back of the regulator and the normal 39 PSI at the injector tips increases to 49 PSI. That overcomes the 10 PSI in the intake manifold to give you 39 PSI at the injector tips. Pretty clever of these engineers to use intake manifold vacuum and pressure that way.
Simply stated, intake manifold vacuum adds to the effective fuel pressure at the injector tips. Apply the same vacuum to the back side of the fuel pressure regulator, and everything balances out. Add pressure to the intake manifold and the effective fuel pressure at the injector tip decreases. Apply the same pressure to the back side of the fuel pressure regulator, and everything balances out.

Now you know why to disconnect the vacuum when making fuel pressure measurements.
 
A year ago I bought a BBK 1706 FPR, installed, set it, ran it, stored car for the winter adding STA BIL and starting once a month; I wanted to double check the FPR because i felt i was running rich. Unplug vacuum and i can increase fuel, but cannot decrease even with allen screw backed out. Can FPR's get stuck? O r as my buddy suggested, bad diaphragm due to Ethanol? I am going out now to check for leak, as described above, wondering if this is a common occurrance.
 
The BBK regulator and any other reputable brands should be fine for E10. E85 or race fuels, I would research better first. I bet you will reach the right conclusion as to your regulator once jrichker's write up sinks in. (Or should that be Stink up writes in with your fuel issue?)

To the OP, unless you installed a wet NOS kit, there should not be fuel in the upper manifold. In fact, last time I changed one, my lawn mower gas cap has more gas in it than my lower intake had.