2001 GT Engine code p0174 & p0153

[Black GT]

Yesterday my 2001 GT, the check engine light came on. I used my obd to read the codes. P0174- RUNNING LEAN ON BANK 2 and P0153- BANK 2 SENSOR 1 O2 SENSOR SLOW RESPONSE. I erased the codes and drove the car around 50 miles before the light came back on. This time there was just the P0174 code. The car still runs great. I am thinking it is a bad o2 sensor because of the P0153 code. I checked for vacuum leaks but all the hoses look like new. Am I right in thinking bad o2 sensor? Any input will be appreciated.

 

[wmburns]

Are you trying to determine for certain IF the O2 sensor is bad? It seems to me that there are two choices. Either replace the O2 sensor for purely diagnostic reasons. Then IF the DTC code comes back, then at least you will know that it's not the O2 sensor.

Or find the vacuum leak that's likely the left side of the motor. Note the leak could be from sources such as:

• Fuel injector O-rings
• valve cover gaskets
• EGR valve
• Intake manifold on the left side.

If you want to KNOW one way or the other then an advanced ODB2 scanner is needed. Compare the LTFT between bank 1 and 2. Compare the O2 voltage between bank 1 and 2. Do they switch?

Here's some information on a DIY ODB2 solution.

ForScan ODB2 scanner w ELM327 USB
https://www.stangnet.com/mustang-forums/resources/forscan-odb2-scanner-w-elm327-usb.57/

 

[Black GT]

I have a innova model 31703 obd2 scanner. It has freeze frame data. Would that data tell me anything? To be honest I don't know what I am looking at on the freeze frame. Thanks

 

[wmburns]

I have a innova model 31703 obd2 scanner. It has freeze frame data. Would that data tell me anything? To be honest I don't know what I am looking at on the freeze frame. Thanks

The PCM sometimes stores a freeze frame worth of data that is saved at the time a DTC code is generated. This can sometimes help with diagnosis. This is NOT the same as being able to monitor individual PID's. Nor is it the same as being able to graph multiple PID's over time.

However there is still a bunch of useful trouble shooting that is available with an ODB2 scanner that can access generic ODB2 data and display a single PID. I have solved many a car problem using just such a simple scanner.

 

[08GT500]

The Scantool you have is a useful - non Passive unit, and is capable of performing the necessary Troubleshooting methods commonly used in correctly identifying/diagnosing/correcting your anomaly..
Major drawback of Innova’s is the lack of a good Users Manual.
Reading the below outlining the Scantool’s abilities & how to apply them will help you immensely when needed. If you want a Copy to view, or Download, click link below. (Note: Manual is a large File, Printing yields 140+ Pages). Likely the reason why it’s not included, lol http://pro.innova.com/Content/Support/Manual/Pro/31703.pdf

 

[Black GT]

Thanks for the info.I thought it was able to do live data but wasn't sure. Do I need to wait for the CEL to illuminate again before I try using it in live data mode? I bought the scanner and all the hardware that came with it from a pawn shop for $100. It sells new for $750. The only thing missing was the owners manual.

 

[08GT500]

Hi, wow- great deal! Yes, you can read the Data as it is Streaming live- Car Idling or Driving, and view the Sensors alternating values as needed (Have a Friend view it if Driving) viewed from the Computers prospective, translated. Your Drive Cycle records when you initiate it & start Driving, “Freeze Frame” is the Scantools ability to “Freeze” all the Data when the CEL is thrown- but also records the previous Data before the event, so you can view/compare each Sensors actions/reactions to begin to rule out issues- question others. You can communicate with both OBD1 & 2 Vehicles (Limited on OBD-1, but as effective as it gets) and ABS, Transmissions, etc.. Hence: all the other Connectors that came with it. Innova’s don’t come with a good users guide, for most of their Scantools. So, it had no Manual, as it never came with it when originally purchased..
It’s something you just need to Read & practice with (knowing all the time you can’t interfere with the CPU’s Programming with a Scantool like this, best description, it’s ROM access. All the abbreviations people use are available in the Manual, and the Tool. If you don’t see it- google it. Lots of info out there..
You may only monitor, reset CEL’s- but you cannot corrupt Data or anything, or hurt your CPU, it’s Programming, Sensors, or Car. Many Commercial grade Scantools have the ability to alter Data, here- you have the ability to perform, step by step, with all the Tools you need to diagnose your issue (As far as the CPU goes). Keep in mind, most of the time a Code comes up about a specific Part- Buying that Part is not the solution, it’s NOT that part that’s the issue, it’s just involved. Experiment with it & learn, look on YouTube for Videos on OBD2 Diagnostics, or your Meter- Specifically.
You should have access to the Free Database in which the “Top Fixes” documented by huge #’s of Dealers, Auto Repair Shops, for every Code or group of Codes that may appear in your Car- are there. You click the Button, and there are the most common repairs that were necessary to correct the issue. It’s very accurate. I have an older Actron Scantool that has this “Code Connect” Coined by Actron, exact same thing.. You can hook your Tool up to a Computer, and Freely download the newest Software versions, newest Cars, improvements & it stores all your Cars, and Codes/repairs, etc. that you’ve done in the past. Good luck!! John