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  1. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    "Both are no where near close to being vastly compared to a luxury vehicle." Well, I suggest you put your copy of Car and Driver down and look at all the other magazine sources that look at the GTO as a near luxury coupe with good performance. Those guys like the car. Car and Driver OTOH...
  2. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    "You are right in that aspect as they are geared more towards old guys, cause I know I don't want one." I like it but then again, my first car was an old guy car... The problem with the GTO is that it fills a wierd niche... On the one hand the basic design is made for old guys but on the...
  3. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    Comparatively, I have seen GTO reviews--particularly a British video review from "Top Gear"--that praises the GTO's handling at the limits not because those limits are so high but because it is so easy to take the car up right to the limits. Sometimes BMWs don't have the highest slolom ratings...
  4. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    "Bringing the Firebird back, where is it? If they do bring the F bods back I'm willing to bet byebye to GTO, what does that tell you?" But see this is wrong. From things that have been mentioned in this thread, GM plans to redesign the GTO and bring back the Camaro in 2007/2008. The GTO...
  5. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    I agree that a compact BMW 3 series is probably a much better handler than the Mustang or GTO... I guess I am not making myself clear... I understand that!! All I am saying is that if you looked soley at skidpad and slolom numbers, it would post worse numbers DESPITE its better handling. Car...
  6. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    "BMW's have terrible handling limits, PLEASE." Go look at the back of your sacred car and driver books to BMW's skidpad and slolom numbers. They are not that high... I guess that means that the Mustang handles better than compact BMWs, right? Again, if you guys are going to treat that Car...
  7. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    But if grandpa died, would you look at grandpma to replace him? The Firebird died. So people are looking at the GTO as a perfect, 1 to 1 replacement. It is not!! The GTO is a totally different member of the pointiac family meant to satisfy a different need. It is more akin to a 2 door...
  8. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    "Why not compare it to the Mustang, both are 2dr, rwd, 300+hp V8 sporty cars?" Because the GTO is a sporty car that can also function as a big stable highway cruiser and the Mustang is a SPORTS CAR. I know deep down in my heart that you guys are smarter than the jokers who write Car and...
  9. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    "The GTO doesn't compete against the G35 , BMW, or the CTS; those are LUXURY cars." But the GTO doesn't compete against the Mustang either. If it had to be compared to a Mercury product, it would be the 4 door Marauder. Spiritually it is successor to the 4 door Impala SS of 10 years ago...
  10. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    "The GTO handles well, but not AS WELL as the new MustangGT. It doesn't slalom nearly well, nor does it match the skidpad numbers of the GT." But on the Car And Driver subjective ratings, the GTO scored higher for handling. Handling is not like acceleration in the sense that it is hard to...
  11. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    "you guys had said it, right now the price is really good for the performance it offers, but like i said, the lack of sales doesn't have anything to do with the price of that car..." Well, actually, what I am saying it hat the GTO is a good value considering the performance AND comfort it...
  12. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    Me: They do this all the time when comparing cars. They say that one car wins decisively but they forget that the people who pay the money for the other car want something different. Bob: Meaning we're all different, with different preferences and biases. I have no issues with that, and...
  13. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    "Have you driven both under similar conditions? I assume you have, and this is how you have come to your conclusion. If not, what objective standard are you using to come to this conclusion?" You're right. I haven't driven both cars. I am stereotyping. I do not believe that I could drive...
  14. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    Yeah, it is MT. And that is my entire point!! MT thought it was fitting to compare the GTO to a high priced Merc because it offered a decent amount of luxury and performance. The comparison wasn't to pick a winner, because if you are talking about the better car obviously is it the...
  15. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    "Are we going to continue to hash out some ridiculous comparison between the GT and the GTO or are you guys going to start this nonsense that the GTO is a Luxury car while trying to somehow maintain that in its current form it still resembles all that the original Goat offered?" I wanted to...
  16. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    "Also the last time I looked the Mustang has a back seat." Yeah, but you're not going to carry four people around in comfort in a Mustang. "You GTO guys want it both ways, so which is it? Are we going to continue to hash out some ridiculous comparison between the GT and the GTO or are...
  17. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    It is very much a near luxury car compared to a Mustang GT or Camaro. Plus it can carry four people.
  18. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    "4.5? Heh... Enter, Corvette. Turn and stop on a dime. Please. It's good, yes. But it's not in that arena yet." I am using that expression relative to the fact that it is a 3,700 lb near luxury car. For a car of that nature, the performance is sick!! The other cars in its price range are the...
  19. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    fivepointno, in that post, you basically admit that the 2004 GTO offers performance of a Mustang, for about the same price, but it is a near luxury vehicle vs. a muscle car. That is the whole point!! You buy the Mustang for performance. People buy the GTO because it is a fairly luxurious ride...
  20. J

    Car and Driver Review- 05 Stang vs. 05 GTO

    At the beginning of November, 9,487 GTOs had been sold with a stockpile of approx. 5,900 (a 127 day supply...yikes!). GM has already reduced 2005 production by 30% from 18,000 units to 12,000. All the GTO owners brag about being able to get a GTO for around $26K but I personally don't think...
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