• Mustang Forums
  • 1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk-

2001 Cobra (kind of) Revs high between shifts

  • Thread starter Thread starter comf_numb
  • Start date Start date Apr 11, 2018
C

comf_numb

New Member
Apr 11, 2018
4
0
1
44
Detroit
Apr 11, 2018
#1
  • Apr 11, 2018
  • #1
Hi all,

I am hoping you can help me out as I have been searching on this topic for a while and not yet found any definitive notion as to what my car's issue might be. I have a 2002 Panoz Esperante, which powered by a 2001 Cobra engine and most of the same drivetrain. My headaches with the car started a few weeks ago when I ran it up near the red line under WOT and suddenly I had a CEL (P0190). The car itself drives pretty well, though there are a couple of unsettling issues: hesitation / bucking around 1800 RPM (but its done this for a while) and the revs are much slower to drop between shifts than they used to be (hanging for 4-5 seconds, this is brand new since the CEL). Based on the searches made so far, I have already replaced the FRPS and the IAC. Certainly there are some unknowns, chief among them the supercharger kit and what I suspect to be a bad tune, but the high revs is just really bugging me. Just thought I would ask before I take it to the shop and make sure there isn't some cheap stone left unturned. Any ideas/help is appreciated.

Thanks!
 

Mattstang04

15 Year Member
Sep 15, 2006
1,152
144
104
St. Louis, MO
Apr 11, 2018
#2
  • Apr 11, 2018
  • #2
I see you're supercharged. Is that something that you've put on recently? What kind of supercharger and do you have a cold air kit on the supercharger inlet? Pretty much list your mods.
 
C

comf_numb

New Member
Apr 11, 2018
4
0
1
44
Detroit
Apr 11, 2018
#3
  • Apr 11, 2018
  • #3
Mattstang04 said:
I see you're supercharged. Is that something that you've put on recently? What kind of supercharger and do you have a cold air kit on the supercharger inlet? Pretty much list your mods.
Click to expand...
Unfortunately, I do not have a great deal of information regarding the mods on the car. The supercharger was put on quite some time ago (5+ years), that much I do know. It does have a cold air intake and intercooler as well.
 

Mattstang04

15 Year Member
Sep 15, 2006
1,152
144
104
St. Louis, MO
Apr 13, 2018
#4
  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #4
It could be a tune issue but there's a good chance that there's a vacuum leak. If its an air to air intercooler there's plenty of connections between piping that could need some tightening up. If you replaced the iac i recommend disconnecting the battery until the computer goes into relearn mode. Then it will drive like crap for a while before gradually getting better. Shoot some throttle body cleaner around there intake and supercharger, if the engine dies down you know you're close to a vacuum leak.
 
C

comf_numb

New Member
Apr 11, 2018
4
0
1
44
Detroit
Apr 13, 2018
#5
  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #5
Mattstang04 said:
It could be a tune issue but there's a good chance that there's a vacuum leak. If its an air to air intercooler there's plenty of connections between piping that could need some tightening up. If you replaced the iac i recommend disconnecting the battery until the computer goes into relearn mode. Then it will drive like crap for a while before gradually getting better. Shoot some throttle body cleaner around there intake and supercharger, if the engine dies down you know you're close to a vacuum leak.
Click to expand...

Thanks, I'll give that a shot. I definitely think there is an issue with the tune, but that seems harder to deal with. Any notion as to how long the battery should be disconnected to trigger the relearning mode?
 

wmburns

SN Certified Technician
Aug 14, 2009
5,892
514
204
Houston Texas
Apr 14, 2018
#6
  • Apr 14, 2018
  • #6
My vote is that the fuel rail pressure sensor (FRPS) diaphragm is ruptured. This goes double since the problem began after a WOT run.

Or there's an electrical problem to/from the FRPS.

Anytime the PCM calls out a circuit malfunction it means there's something so wrong with the circuit that the PCM is not able to perform any diagnosis.

Check the FRPS intake vacuum reference line for the raw gas. Double check the FRPS electrical connector to be sure contacts are clean and tight.

Regarding the re-learning. It's only necessary to disconnect the battery for a minute or so. Clearing DTC codes will also force a re-learn.

>>From Ford service manual
P0190 - Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit Malfunction (FRP)
  • VREF open in harness.
  • VREF open in sensor.
  • VREF open in PCM.

Verify VREF voltage between 4.0 and 6.0V.
 
Last edited: Apr 14, 2018
C

comf_numb

New Member
Apr 11, 2018
4
0
1
44
Detroit
Apr 14, 2018
#7
  • Apr 14, 2018
  • #7
wmburns said:
My vote is that the fuel rail pressure sensor (FRPS) diaphragm is ruptured. This goes double since the problem began after a WOT run.

Or there's an electrical problem to/from the FRPS.

Anytime the PCM calls out a circuit malfunction it means there's something so wrong with the circuit that the PCM is not able to perform any diagnosis.

Check the FRPS intake vacuum reference line for the raw gas. Double check the FRPS electrical connector to be sure contacts are clean and tight.

Regarding the re-learning. It's only necessary to disconnect the battery for a minute or so. Clearing DTC codes will also force a re-learn.

>>From Ford service manual
P0190 - Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Circuit Malfunction (FRP)
  • VREF open in harness.
  • VREF open in sensor.
  • VREF open in PCM.

Verify VREF voltage between 4.0 and 6.0V.
Click to expand...

Sorry, just getting into this topic. If I replaced the FPRS already should that have solved the issue if it is the diaphragm or is that something outside of the sensor itself? FWIW, the P0190 code and CEL is back again even after replacing the sensor.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

98 GT PI Swapped Engine Fires, Dies Immediately NOT PATS
  • MMccPerformance
  • Dec 2, 2023
  • SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech
Replies
3
Views
2K
SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech Dec 20, 2023
Yel2002GTAuto
Y
T
2001 Gt 5mt Cooling system question
  • tonylittell
  • Aug 28, 2022
  • SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech
Replies
4
Views
1K
SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech Dec 25, 2022
glennster5.0
G
F
1993 Cobra flooding
  • FireFoxCobra_SVT93
  • May 20, 2022
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
  • 2
Replies
20
Views
5K
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech Mar 11, 2023
nickyb
1995 Cobra - high cold start idle, flashing CEL, miss/hesitation/low power when driving
  • 02 281 GT
  • Jun 10, 2018
  • 1994 - 1995 Specific Tech
Replies
5
Views
2K
1994 - 1995 Specific Tech Aug 29, 2018
jozsefsz
I
2001 Cobra PATS 1:6 issue. HELP WMBURNS
  • ItsStock02
  • Oct 23, 2018
  • SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech
Replies
1
Views
2K
SN95 4.6L Mustang Tech Oct 23, 2018
ItsStock02
I
Share:
Bluesky Email Share Link
  • Mustang Forums
  • 1996 - 2004 SN95 Mustang -General/Talk-
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Forums
  • What's new
  • Media
  • Resources
  • Contact
  • Sponsor
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?