2008 Mustang GT versus 2008 Dodge Charger R/T with.........

brianshaeffer · Feb 21, 2008

I guess I don't understand the problem with the Charger being a 4 door car. The biggest problem with making 2 doors is that the market for them just doesn't exist in any kind of volume.

Also, even though a Charger is somewhat slower than a current Mustang GT, an RT has performance comparable with a late 60's Charger R/T with a 440. An SRT8 Charger is faster than a 60's Charger with a Hemi.

If I were to buy a 4 door car, I'd certainly consider one.

guitarpnk99 · Feb 21, 2008

brianshaeffer said:
I guess I don't understand the problem with the Charger being a 4 door car. The biggest problem with making 2 doors is that the market for them just doesn't exist in any kind of volume.

Also, even though a Charger is somewhat slower than a current Mustang GT, an RT has performance comparable with a late 60's Charger R/T with a 440. An SRT8 Charger is faster than a 60's Charger with a Hemi.

If I were to buy a 4 door car, I'd certainly consider one.

+1

BennyBlown2v · Feb 21, 2008

The SRT-8's are no joke. There is one local here that runs mid 12's at 108 ish. I caught up with him once and put a 8+ car hurting on him though... The R/T's are slow and handle poopy.

XtorT'r · Feb 21, 2008

RED2001GT said:
What makes you say that? Quite the contrary my friend. The Charger R/T's are quite fast cars considering that their weight is 4,000 lbs.. The great 390 ft./lbs. of Torque and the 340hp in the R/T and the 350hp in the R/T with the R/T Performance Package makes up for their weight. Remember, the R/T is a LARGE FULL SIZE FAMILY SEDAN. It is no way as small or as light as a Mustang.
I don't understand WHY you think that the R/T's are slow as hell when they have this much horsepower and torque for their size and weight? Please explain yourself.

What do you mean please explain yourself? I'm not talking about srt8's the R/T's are what I'm referring to. I don't know if you've run against one but a regular mazda6 can hang with those things, mazdaspeed6's eat them alive. Before I got my cams I could mop the floor with them, afterwards, well I haven't even bothered since then. I am not a very skill full racer by any means either. So what if they have a ton of hp and tq, I understand their computers limit the amount of power that they can use on launch and they don't move that well from a roll either. I give them credit for being like that have having four doors but I'd rather have a speed6 any day of the week.

On a side note when I'm driving my focus they do seem to be able to beat me I should also say while I've driven all the cars mentioned above I have not driven an 05+ stang but I thought those should have been at least as fast as my car pre-cams.

AntiRice98 · Feb 21, 2008

I beat one pretty badly at the track month or so ago. I think it was an 07. He ran a 9.1 bone stock. (1/8th mile of course) and I've ran a 9.2 with a bone stock 05 mustang. With the driver mod i'm sure the charger could run 8.7's or so

RED2001GT · Feb 21, 2008

BennyBlown2v said:
The SRT-8's are no joke. There is one local here that runs mid 12's at 108 ish. I caught up with him once and put a 8+ car hurting on him though... The R/T's are slow and handle poopy.

No they're not. The R/T's are very fast and they have excellent handling. Get your facts right.

RED2001GT · Feb 21, 2008

brianshaeffer said:
I guess I don't understand the problem with the Charger being a 4 door car. The biggest problem with making 2 doors is that the market for them just doesn't exist in any kind of volume.

Also, even though a Charger is somewhat slower than a current Mustang GT, an RT has performance comparable with a late 60's Charger R/T with a 440. An SRT8 Charger is faster than a 60's Charger with a Hemi.

If I were to buy a 4 door car, I'd certainly consider one.

I agree with you 100%. That's why I'm buying one

RED2001GT · Feb 21, 2008

XtorT'r said:
What do you mean please explain yourself? I'm not talking about srt8's the R/T's are what I'm referring to. I don't know if you've run against one but a regular mazda6 can hang with those things, mazdaspeed6's eat them alive. Before I got my cams I could mop the floor with them, afterwards, well I haven't even bothered since then. I am not a very skill full racer by any means either. So what if they have a ton of hp and tq, I understand their computers limit the amount of power that they can use on launch and they don't move that well from a roll either. I give them credit for being like that have having four doors but I'd rather have a speed6 any day of the week.

On a side note when I'm driving my focus they do seem to be able to beat me I should also say while I've driven all the cars mentioned above I have not driven an 05+ stang but I thought those should have been at least as fast as my car pre-cams.

I disagree with you. The MazdaSpeed6 does not even close to the Charger R/T in horsepower and torque. What is so amazing about the Mazdaspeed6 anyways? They don't have the horsepower and torque of a Charger R/T.

TGJ · Feb 21, 2008

RED2001GT said:
No they're not. The R/T's are very fast and they have excellent handling. Get your facts right.

If you are comparing the Charger R/T to a Crown Vic, they are fast. Handling though, they are not much better. Comparing the Charger R/T to a newer Mustang GT, the Charger's are quite slow...

RED2001GT · Feb 21, 2008

TGJ said:
If you are comparing the Charger R/T to a Crown Vic, they are fast. Handling though, they are not much better. Comparing the Charger R/T to a newer Mustang GT, the Charger's are quite slow...

I don't understand? How can a "regular stock" 2008 Mustang GT beat a 2008 Charger R/T? The Mustang GT has only 300hp and the Charger R/T has 340hp. The torque on a 2008 Mustang GT is not even close to the 390ft./lbs. of torque that the 2008 CHarger R/T has? How can you call the Charger slow with that type of horsepower and torque? Even with its weight of 4,000 lbs, the Charger has to be faster than the Mustang GT with all of the Charger's horsepower and torque.

Skidzz · Feb 21, 2008

RED2001GT said:
I don't understand? How can a "regular stock" 2008 Mustang GT beat a 2008 Charger R/T? The Mustang GT has only 300hp and the Charger R/T has 340hp. The torque on a 2008 Mustang GT is not even close to the 390ft./lbs. of torque that the 2008 CHarger R/T has? How can you call the Charger slow with that type of horsepower and torque? Even with its weight of 4,000 lbs, the Charger has to be faster than the Mustang GT with all of the Charger's horsepower and torque.

You're underestimating how much the weight difference really matters. The chargers weigh about 600 lbs. more than the new GT's. The RT's run high 13's to low 14's while the '05+ GT's can run mid-13's consistently.

XtorT'r · Feb 21, 2008

RED2001GT said:
I disagree with you. The MazdaSpeed6 does not even close to the Charger R/T in horsepower and torque. What is so amazing about the Mazdaspeed6 anyways? They don't have the horsepower and torque of a Charger R/T.

The mazdaspeed6 is much faster than the R/T, it's not really even a drivers race. I use those as comparisons because they are both sporty four door cars that you can drive your family around with. You shouldn't discount something solely because of the hp/tq it puts out on paper. A mazdaspeed6 with a decent driver will see mid to high 13's at the track when they are bone stock, an R/T should be more like 14.0-14.3 from what I've seen. I've seen srt8's relatively stock pull low 13's to mid 12's.
SRT8 =
Think of the R/T as a mustang v6 and the v6 charger as a ford festiva . Except if you get an R/T you can to a Weight reduction and cam that bitch and have a really fast machine. I'm not trying to completely rip the R/T but it doesn't really contend with a mustang gt "these days" or a mazdaspeed6, I love the 4 door sports car aspect and I do respect the charger for that as well but the mazda won that... Except they are nixing it in favor of a higher hp v6

TGJ · Feb 21, 2008

RED2001GT said:
I don't understand? How can a "regular stock" 2008 Mustang GT beat a 2008 Charger R/T? The Mustang GT has only 300hp and the Charger R/T has 340hp. The torque on a 2008 Mustang GT is not even close to the 390ft./lbs. of torque that the 2008 CHarger R/T has? How can you call the Charger slow with that type of horsepower and torque? Even with its weight of 4,000 lbs, the Charger has to be faster than the Mustang GT with all of the Charger's horsepower and torque.

The Charger is about 700 pounds heaviev than the Mustang. Depending on options and transmission the Mustang has a 3.31 or 3.55 gear ratio in the axle. The Charger R/T has a 2.82 gear ratio in the axle. A standard transmission mustang will lose less hp in the drivetrain than the Charger, automatic mustang and Charger will lose about the same.

If you are going to compare the Charger to a standard transmission Mustang, that little HP advantage at the wheels the Charger might have will NOT overcome the huge advantages the Mustang has providing the pony can put it's power to the ground. The auto Mustang is also pretty potent and it as well has the huge advantages over the Charger.

A rule of thumb is .1 in the 1/4 for every 100 pounds. The Charger R/T would need about another 70 HP to be competitive with a newer Mustang GT.

RedGTvert · Feb 21, 2008

2002MineralGray said:
I dunno 4 door cars come off as family cars NOT muscle cars to me. For example I love when the 40 year old dude with his wife and kids in the backseat still in their church clothes pulls up next to me at the light when Im on my way to work wanting to race his 4 door Charger against my stang. Sure his car may be faster than mine but seriously at least mine has the cool factor. lol.

They should of just let these cars die with all their glory still intact. I dont even consider these new ones to be in the same league as the 69 chargers.
God Im just praying that they do not try to remake the Plymouth Barracuda...

Hate to tell you this, but the Charger was a big arsed Sedan that had a large engine. Most of the Muscle cars in those days were considered family cars, but with large cubic inches under the hood.

Lets see, Coronets (Super Bees), Beleveder (GTX), Charger, Road Runner, Lemans (GTO), Cutlass (442), Impala, Chevelle, Fairlane, Torino, Galaxie . . . none of these were exactly small cars, but all could be had with large engines and considered Muscle Cars in the '60's.

And I doubt you will see a Barracuda, seeing there is no Plymouth brand any longer.

BennyBlown2v · Feb 21, 2008

RED2001GT said:
No they're not. The R/T's are very fast and they have excellent handling. Get your facts right.

lmao oh, ok thanks for filling me in on the FACTS I actually have driven all of these cars last time I was out shopping with the family. R/T isn't fast by any means. As far as handling goes...that has to be a joke, right? Hell, Chrysler's turn worse than fords

Skidzz · Feb 21, 2008

BennyBlown2v said:
lmao oh, ok thanks for filling me in on the FACTS I actually have driven all of these cars last time I was out shopping with the family. R/T isn't fast by any means. As far as handling goes...that has to be a joke, right? Hell, Chrysler's turn worse than fords

Yea, I've driven my friends RT and it handles like a barn.

RED2001GT · Feb 22, 2008

BennyBlown2v said:
lmao oh, ok thanks for filling me in on the FACTS I actually have driven all of these cars last time I was out shopping with the family. R/T isn't fast by any means. As far as handling goes...that has to be a joke, right? Hell, Chrysler's turn worse than fords

That's odd because I drove an R/T just the other day and I find that it handles excellent on the road and highway. The car felt very tight on the road and it was very responsive. It is also a very smooth driver.

RED2001GT · Feb 22, 2008

The R/T that I want to buy is the one with the R/T Performance Package which gives it 10 more horsepower. Mine will have 350hp with 390 ft./lbs. of torque.
I am not really looking for a car to race a Mustang with. What I am really looking for is a vehicle which has a lot of power which is a full sized vehicle. The ONLY car which I found that fits this criteria is the 2008 Dodge Charger R/T. I love the R/T. Especially the one that comes with the R/T Performance package. It's just right for me.

guitarpnk99 · Feb 22, 2008

Go balls out and get a SRT-8. Or maybe even a SRT-4 Caliber. Or maybe even a 2004 Terminator......

BennyBlown2v · Feb 22, 2008

RED2001GT said:
The R/T that I want to buy is the one with the R/T Performance Package which gives it 10 more horsepower. Mine will have 350hp with 390 ft./lbs. of torque.
I am not really looking for a car to race a Mustang with. What I am really looking for is a vehicle which has a lot of power which is a full sized vehicle. The ONLY car which I found that fits this criteria is the 2008 Dodge Charger R/T. I love the R/T. Especially the one that comes with the R/T Performance package. It's just right for me.

You must not have looked very far... G8 is about to hit the streets, GTO's are already out (they are full size enough), and you can pickup used Audi S6's and S4's all day long in that price range - not to mention some used Mercedes CLS-500's for just a couple thousand more.

Maybe my standards are just way to high (as in I've actually DRIVEN the cars that blow the chargers out of the water lol), but chargers handle like a cat box and are as slow as one too The SRT-8's have more grunt, and make for a more fun drive, but still they are big and clumsy, not to mention the brakes (about as bad as a mustang lol).

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