Anyone planning on dropping the new 5.0 into a classic?

SadbutTrue · Jan 4, 2010

If you hadn't heard, its recently become official that they're dropping a 412 hp, 5.0 DOHC/4V motor into Mustang GTs starting in 2011. Not sure how much (if at all) the block is different than current DOHCs, but it'd seem a natural choice for some Boss 302 restomods.

Anyone? (hopefully I'm not breaking the news to all of you about the engine itself)

2+2GT · Jan 4, 2010

IIRC, the DOHC requires removal of the shock towers. Or at least using the Dynacorn "thin" towers.

shoguun · Jan 4, 2010

i would if i was filthy rich

C0V3R · Jan 4, 2010

The new 5.0 motor is supposed to be a lot narrower than the old 4.6/5.4's

jonfor · Jan 4, 2010

shoguun said:
i would if i was filthy rich

for me, absolutely no way. it would ruin the spirit of the car. might as well put on big chrome rims and lambo doors to complete the bastardization process of an American classic. if i wanted a modular mustang, i would have bought one new.

if i was filthy rich, there is only one modular that i would ever own:

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oh yes, it shall be mine.

shoguun · Jan 4, 2010

jonfor said:
for me, absolutely no way. it would ruin the spirit of the car. might as well put on big chrome rims and lambo doors to complete the bastardization process of an American classic. if i wanted a modular mustang, i would have bought one new.

if i was filthy rich, there is only one modular that i would ever own:

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oh yes, it shall be mine.

i think you misunderstand. If i was filthy rich i would have 20 different classic mustangs and i would try to do a little something different for all of them

mustbereel · Jan 4, 2010

I would consider it. I haven't seen the dimesions yet but it is lighter than the 4.6 DOHC. Since it will be a mass produced engine the cost shouldn't be too high. This isn't the 5.0 cammer that Ford has been selling for $15k. Won't be too long before they'll start showing up in junkyards.

rpk · Jan 5, 2010

I'm currently laid off from Fords in Windsor. Two years ago, before being laid off I asked management for one for my 67 fastback. They looked at me as if I had two heads and said there was no such engine,even though we had some running in the dyno room, and a few prototypes in Essex engine plant. I should be getting back in a month or two, apparently, and some of management has seen my car at the body shop getting panels aligned, and can't believe how well the 95 t-bird fit under the 67 fastback. Hopefully it's unique enough, so I'll try again.

wicked93gs · Jan 5, 2010

I'm hoping its going to share the modular bolt pattern...then I can yank my 4.6L and drop in the new 5.0L as a direct replacement....been planning on it...might do it even if I have to change the transmission again....but thats all talk, I have yet to get this one running and finished

70vert · Jan 6, 2010

It's an outstanding engine, and to each his own, but . . .

I'm not sure it's the engine you want if you want a Boss 302-style car. I'm doing mine roughly influenced by Trans-Am Boss 302s, and I have to say that I wouldn't want something that heavy up front. Boss 302s had good weight distribution for a musclecar, and had a reputation for cornering. I've seen the weight comparisons of the 4.6 versus the 302 or 289, and IIRC, it wasn't pretty. The 5.0 would be more of the same.

The new 5.0 is a fine engine, and gets great mileage, but you could do a fine job with new heads and intake and the EFI of your choice on the original 302 block, as I'm doing. A lot of the shock-tower-deletion front suspensions out there (except for Griggs) don't compare well to a Shelby-dropped setup with the original suspension geometry and shock towers and aftermarket parts.

But, if you're into it, it's your car, just be aware of the compromises . . .

SadbutTrue said:
it'd seem a natural choice for some Boss 302 restomods.

Anyone? (hopefully I'm not breaking the news to all of you about the engine itself)

wicked93gs · Jan 6, 2010

just to let you know....the 5.0L coyote is an all aluminum engine...I dont see it weighing any more than a teskid 4.6L...in other words, the same as a 289/302...a little bit less actually...however...while most mustang II type suspensions(or struts) dont handle as well out of the box as a modified stock setu...that desnt mean they cant be made to do so...after ll, there are modified mustang IIs out there that can pull over 1.0g on the skidpad and high 70s in the slalom...it can be done...its also a lot of work....I agree that you are better off sticking with a SBF for best results

rpk · Jan 6, 2010

I don't mean to side track the thread,but a note on the 5.0. A buddy of mine works in the plant where they're starting to build them(hopefully that's where I get called back to). There were two running on the dyno's making 430hp running at 7200 rpm non stop for..........300 hrs! I remember the triton 4.6 running at 6000 rpm's for days non stop. I guess that's Ford tough.

wicked93gs · Jan 7, 2010

heh, you need to hook me up with one then rpk....otherwise it will be almost a year before I can get my greedy little hands on one....300 hours at 7200RPM though...thats crazy...but I assume no load on the engine? which version was this? the truck engine or the mustang engine?(presumably differentiated by an aluminum intake manifold vs a composite plastic one)

rpk · Jan 7, 2010

Hi wicked, it was the mustang version,management here say they haven't heard if it is going into the truck yet(just like there was no new 5.0). Last few years Ford hasn't given out any freebies. But like I said,when I get back,there are a couple management guys that are car guys and have seen my car at the body shop,so I'll hit them up again,at least now they know there is a real car involved. Plus I know a few guys that work at Roush in Michigan,but they'll use it for their 69 Torino restomod(twintorino.com). Or it'll sit in their shop next to the '01 cobra motor and the Mach 1 motor they got from Roush.

SadbutTrue · Jan 8, 2010

Deep Dive: Ford's all-new 5.0 V8 — Autoblog

Some details. Sounds like a winner...

Blue1965 · Jan 8, 2010

Does anyone know how wide it is and what bolt pattern it uses? Might have to look into dropping one into the new '67 project

wicked93gs · Jan 9, 2010

wikipedia calls it a modular...meaning the modular bolt pattern...but that is of course just an assumption...we'll find out when it comes out...I'm grabbing one ASAP...someone is going to wreck the new mustang pretty quick...or I may cough up the money for a brand new one...maybe I'll upgrade to the "magnum" T56 while I'm at it

68stang351 · Jan 9, 2010

It weighs 430 pounds without the alternator, compressor, and power steering, but with everything else on it.

So much for it being heavy.

Also it is said that even with its 11:1 compression, that it was designed to withstand boost, because it would likely be boosted from the factory in the future, and they didn't want to have to go back through the motor to make it handle boost. They also said that it is designed so that it can easily be a direct injection motor.

There is like a 10 or 12 page article about it in the new 5.0 Mustang and Super Ford magazine.

Cobra5.0Jeep · Jan 9, 2010

If i was super rich i would put it in another classic Mustang.

rpk · Jan 11, 2010

most definately this will be a modular motor. In this case modular means it shares various parts with other motors in this family and they can all be built on the same line. As is the case with the current modular family both here in Windsor and Romeo we are able to run the 4.6,5.4 and 6.8 down the same line,all mixed together(which happens all the time),seamlessly without stopping the line,which we do.
I have heard there will be a few different variations(displacements?) of this motor with turbo(just a rumor!) as an option. Whether this new family of modulars has anything in common with the current one, I haven't found out yet.

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