Car won't hold idle

281pony said:

have you started from scratch at setting your base idle?

i know my car does not idle properly with the idle set below 900 rpm's. you mentioned a 700 rpm idle. have you tried raising base idle by setting idle screw, tps? we have the same camshaft, tfs stage 1.

that was throwing my car for a loop on the dyno. we slowly raised and raised the idle until it was returning properly. i had alot of the same issues until then. it would hot start different then cold start, it would start up give one surge, then just die, ect.

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jrichker said:

I am sorry to hear that replacing the intake manifold gaskets did not fix your low vacuum problem. Diagnosis is made using the information provided since I can't be there to observe things in person.

The man causes of low vacuum are intake leaks, misadjusted valves, and retarded ignition timing. You have replaced the intake manifold gaskets , so that reduces the possibility of leaking gaskets to just about zero. That leaves valve adjustment and ignition timing.


Putting the distributor back in and setting the timing.
Putting the distributor back in is fairly simple. Pull #1 sparkplug, put your finger in the sparkplug hole,
crank the engine until you feel compression. Then line up the TDC mark on the balancer with the pointer on the engine block.

The distributor starts out with the #1 plug wire lined up at about 12:00 with you facing it. Align the rotor to about 11:00, since it will turn clockwise as it slides into place.

Align the distributor rotor up with the #1 position marked on the cap, slide the distributor down into the block, (you may have to wiggle the rotor slightly to get the gear to engage) and then note where the rotor is pointing.
If it still lines up with #1 position on the cap, install the clamp and bolt. If not, pull it out and turn 1 tooth forwards or backwards and try again. Put the #1 spark plug back in and tighten it down, put the clamp on the distributor, but don't tighten it too much, as you will have to move the distributor to set the timing. Note that there is no such thing as one tooth off on a 5.0 Mustang. If it doesn't align perfectly with #1 position, you can turn the distributor until it does. The only problem is that if you are too far one way or the other, you can't turn the distributor enough to get the 10-14 degree optimum timing range.


Setting the timing:
Paint the mark on the harmonic balancer with paint -choose 10 degrees BTC or 14 degrees BTC or something else if you have NO2 or other power adder. I try to paint TDC red, 10 degrees BTC white and 14 degrees BTC blue.

10 degrees BTC is towards the drivers side marks.

Simplified diagram of what it looks like. Not all the marks are shown for ease of viewing.

ATC ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '!' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' BTC
---------------- > Direction of Rotation as viewed standing in front of the engine.

The ' is 2 degrees.
The ! is TDC
The ' is 10 degrees BTC
Set the timing 5 marks BTC. Or if you prefer, 5 marks towards the driver's side to get 10 degrees.

To get 14 degrees, set it 7 marks BTC. Or if you prefer, 7 marks towards the driver's side to get 14 degrees.

The paint marks you make are your friends if you do it correctly. They are much easier to see that the marks machined into the harmonic balancer hub.

At this point hook up all the wires, get out the timing light. Connect timing light up to battery & #1 spark plug. Then start the engine.

Remove the SPOUT connector (do a search if you want a picture of the SPOUT connector) It is the 2 pin rectangular plug on the distributor wiring harness. Only the EFI Mustang engines have a SPOUT. If yours is not EFI, check for a SPOUT: if you don’t find one, skip any instructions regarding the SPOUT
Warning: there are only two places the SPOUT should be when you time the engine. The first place is in your pocket while you are setting the timing and the second is back in the harness when you finish. The little bugger is too easy to lose and too hard to find a replacement.

Start engine, loosen distributor hold down with a 1/2" universal socket. Shine the timing light on the marks and turn the distributor until the mark lines up with the edge of the timing pointer. Tighten down the distributor hold down bolt, Replace the SPOUT connector and you are done.

The HO firing order is 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8.
Non HO firing order is 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8

The Trick Flow heads require different rockers: the stock pedestal rockers won't work, you need stud mount rockers). The stud mount rockers require different length push rods to get the valve geometry correct. Getting the push rod length correct requires some fiddling around an adjustable length test push rod and a test valve spring (reduced spring tension to work with the adjustable test push rod.) See http://static.trickflow.com/global/images/instructions/instruction sheet.pdf for the Trick Flow instructions

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5.0TailPipeHump said:

I'm in the same boat as you , i created a small vac leak from my intake and started up without a problem, i do get the dreded idle surge from time to time so i went ahead and got new 2 new ngk o2 sensors along with fords idle air adjuster kit # F2PZ-9F939-A. Worked way better on my h/c/i car and only surged once from having it on.

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