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D Durden

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Okay, rant warning, there you have it . . . read on at your own risk. LOL!

I’ll start off by saying I’ve hunted before. I’ve killed animals for food. I really have no problems with the practice, and I see it as having some level of value to all concerned parties. As a capitalist, I FULLY acknowledge that 10 hunters are better for saving their local environment than 1,000 tree huggers. The tree huggers will walk around and enjoy “free” nature while demanding you pay more taxes to provide them a “free” place to . . . enjoy nature. Hunters will pay a buh-jillion taxes and fees to keep hunting grounds open . . . OR they’ll just buy the land outright and refuse to develop it. Eh, it is the way of things.

About this time every year, I’m always amazed at the fanatical, dare I say it, LUST some people have for deer hunting. It’s just, I dunno. I just don’t get it.

I suppose I could understand the whole fascination if killing a deer was some kind of elusive achievement like say a hole in one (GOLFING!) or a perfect baseball game. Or I could see it if killing a deer netted 400 pounds of fine meat to feed the family for the price of one round. Sadly, neither are the case. Around here, at least, killing deer is as easy as driving a 1976 LTD around between 5AM and 9AM. Seriously, we have a bloody ton of them.

Maybe killing a deer would be more, eh, impressive if they were particularly difficult to kill like they were amazingly tough OR you had to hit them “just right”. Eh, our deer are 150 pounds or so, some bigger for sure, but we ain’t talking Alaskan Mule Deer here. We’re talking highly populated whitetail. Also, I’m in the “rolling hills” of Tennessee i.e. most normal shots are 50 to 200 yards. Yeah, MAYBE you get a 300 yard shot if you’re hunting some farmland. We AIN’T taking 700 yard shots from the peak of Mount Reindeer across the valley to Mount Comoniwannalayya at mountain goats. And our whitetails aren’t armored nor do they wear Kevlar, have invisibility suits, or can do the Matrix thing.

All those things considered, I’m ASTOUNDED at what guys carry to hunt with. When I was a kid, it was only legal to hunt with a shotgun in my county. The neighboring counties, however, could use rifles. Almost EXCLUSIVELY everyone shot a .30-30. Eh, why not? A few guys who hunted all over shot .270’s or even a .30-06 for the traveling hunters. Now, though, HOLY CRAP . . . I see .300 Win Mags, 7mm mags, and crap like that. On the other end, there are guys shooting .220 Swifts and all kinds of other hypersonic mini-rounds. All of these guys have scopes made by Nikon, Swavorski, and hell, a couple made by some company called Hubble. Having a thousand bucks in a gun is nothing. If you’re a REAL man, you have one of those scopes that hooks to your iPod and calculates distance, bullet drop, and windage . . . and adjusts your scope for you.

Of course, you have to consider the cost of the gear, too. You HAVE to have a ghille suit customized for your area. And you can’t get out there unless you have a Gator or some other $10k-ish ATV. They’re handy even in the off-season, though, because you can use them to go out and check for deer trails . . . and download your game cam footage monitoring deer movement . . . oh, and you have to refill the deer feeders. It’s cheaper than driving your $42,000 4WD all over, too. You can just leave it at the highway with the $3,000 trailer, dump off the ATV, and you’re ready to get back to nature. With any luck, you’ll maintain a good 3G signal in case you need to check herd movements.

Okay, maybe I’m a little over the top with this, but . . . no, wait. No, not really. I’m not on this one. People spend IMMENSE amounts of money to . . . shoot a deer. No, not just shoot a deer, kill a deer. Even better, depending on what gun you pick, you can blow chunks off the deer, take out whole pieces of the animal and spray them all over the woods, and toss the body 10 to 20 feet away from where it was standing. And to soften up the image, we call it “harvesting” the deer.

It’s all about the illusion, I think, for many hunters. I think many of them are up in their stand and feel connected with nature. They feel like they are touching spiritually with their forefathers who fed their families with a muzzleloader and faith. That’s what some of them post on Facebook . . . from their 3G phones . . . in their stands, at least. But hey, that’s cool.

Another illusion is that they’re a needed part of nature . . . a predator thinning the herd like God and Mother Nature intended. Without the good and noble hunter, disease and famine would ravage the herd. Errrr, sure. The only problem is that I’ve never heard a hunter saying “I was in my stand this morning, and I saw a 10 point buck walk out, and behind him was an old doe. She was coughing, and one of her legs was broken. I harvested her because the weak, sick, and injured must be removed. The big, strong buck, I let go to keep the herd strong.” More than likely, the old doe is still out there spreading some disease, and the buck is headed to the taxidermist to be mounted like a drunk sorority girl. And therein lies the illusion. Humans aren’t like natural predators . . . not at all. We kill the strong, the good looking, and generally, the fertile. People don’t kill the sick and injured. AT BEST, the guy would have shot the sick deer AFTER he shot the buck. Humans kill a trophy buck to hang on the wall or a “tender doe” for eating . . . neither of which, most likely, would fall prey to a predator. And for icing on the cake, the reason THE OLD DOE is still alive and hasn’t been eaten by wolves or coyotes is because, well hell Bubba, we kilt all them off years ago. THEY WERE EATING ALL THE DEER! Sunzabishes . . . And now without natural predators, we must step in to save the poor, sick deer from overpopulation. Yeah . . .

My favorite illusion, though, is that so many hunters tell themselves that they love hunting because they enjoy being in the woods, getting close to nature, and they really have learned to appreciate the beauty of God’s creations. Anytime I hear that crap, I always ask this question. “If you went out to your favorite place, got in your stand, and realized that you forgot to bring ammo, would you go back home and get some, or would you just enjoy nature?” Without fail, they always say they’d go home and get ammo. “So, basically, it’s not worth doing unless you can kill something?” Typically they backtrack, but let’s face it, these people aren’t out there because nature is beautiful, and they get the warm and fuzzies watching the deer bounce around. It’s about killing an animal. It’s not about cunning and skill, per se. If it were, hunters would shun the technology. For most, it’s about killing an animal . . . and with any luck, it’s the biggest animal they can find . . . and DEFINITELY bigger than that other guy’s deer. Afterall, that’s what nature is about . . . rooting out the biggest, the strongest, the fittest, and the most likely to survive animal . . . and killing them . . . right?

I fully admit there are good, ethical hunters out there. One of the families at our karate school is like that. Fudge, they hunt EVERYTHING, but they eat all they kill . . . and wear it . . . and make jewelry from it . . . and sell the rest for rendered ingredients. Fudge, they kill a pig and use everything but the oink. THAT BEING SAID, eh, I think most hunters just enjoy killing something. It’s not about nature, love of the outdoors, or any of that. It’s about ending that life. The power under their finger . . . the rush . . . and the bragging back at the bar or whatever. Men who can’t program their own VCR or figure out how their remote control works learned QUICKLY how to take a picture of a dead deer with their cell phone and post it to Facebook! Motivation, my brother . . . motivation.

If you’re a hunter and I’ve touched a nerve, eh, it happens. However, next time you’re in your stand cursing my name, ask yourself this . . . and BE HONEST with yourself. Would you kill the sick and injured deer . . . or would you pop the nice buck . . . or both? Also, are you doing it for the meat, or are you doing it for the kill? You answer it to yourself. Don’t justify it. Don’t defend it. Just answer it.

In closing, everyone here who knows me knows I’m not bleeding heart or whatnot. Chit guys, I’ve spent almost 15 years of my career coming up with new and exciting ways to kill (people), and as sick as it sounds, I sleep like a baby. And I would kill a deer with a plastic spork to feed my family. I just don’t think I could pound my chest like Arnold killing the Predator, and show off the carcass on my cell phone. You took a life to feed some people . . . and many took that life to feed their psychological needs. Sometimes, I think the least we can do is . . . I dunno . . . not parade the body around like it’s a detachable penis and pound our chest about how the lungs and heart exploded and were driven out through the eye sockets when you shot the 115 pound doe with the .338 Lapua from 75 yards away . . . you know?
 

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Meh... Some folks like NASCAR too. While others like to go out on a green field of grass and smack a little white ball. If they find the little white ball, do they thanks their lucky stars and call it a day? Nooooooo... They smack it again. Equally senseless to me.
 

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I understand this rant. I do disagree with some of it, but it's mainly because that's not the way I do it, which is I guess what you're getting at by the rant. You're ranting about the 'unethical' (imo) hunters. I've kicked the type of people you're talking about off the farm, because I can not stand those types and frankly, don't trust a lot of them.


I would describe myself more like the people in your class. I sit in the woods at all times of the year if I have the free time, because I genuinely like the woods and out door living. Patterning deer, and working on herd management, is only a small part of it. When I'm out I have a gun with me whether cutting timber, scouting etc, not to kill an animal (unless there is a coyote around that's bothering the cattle or being a nuisance in some way or another), but rather for defensive protection from the 2 legged critters that roam the woods on occasion. I am guilty of spending money on all of it (but not to the degree you're describing), but in fairness if it wasn't gun, competition, or hunting related, that same money would go into a car . I spend more money once on quality items, and buy top tier items that I know will last & I can hand down to my kids & grand-kids, so ehh I can live with that. However, I ONLY kill what I intend on eating. I find it disgusting to hunt anything without that intended purpose (unless the case is like the previously mentioned coyote). And of course, I would kill the wounded deer over the prize out of respect for the animal so it didn't suffer further.
I've kicked the type of people you're talking about off the farm that I go to, because I can not stand those types.

In short, I love hunting, but take no pleasure in ending the animals life, if that makes sense.
 

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Tell me again about your Mustang and how much more efficiently it gets you to work that that brand new Kia you could have bought with just what you have invested in just your motor.

I agree with you that many, no, most of the people that hunt today are way over the top just to kill a deer. But, this is America and if that's what makes them happy they have that right.

The attached picture was taken about a block away from my house pretty close to the middle of town a couple of months ago, they've since added to they're herd and travel through my yard at 2:30 in the morning. I know this because my lab comes completely unhinged which wakes me thinking someone is breaking in. If they come through Friday night I may just have to end a couple of them, since they refuse to leave when I step outside.
 

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D Durden

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Sphinx . . . I drove the minivan to work today.

BUT, you're point is well taken.
 

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Would i stay in my stand instead of going to go get ammo....er....ARROWS....yer damn right! If i left it'd screw with the patterns! Then I'd never get a shot at the monster

There's no doubt that some of it is for the "chase" or the "thrill" but there IS something that's kinda cool about being out there. In fact there was once where I forgot my quiver back at home....hahaha...didn't see a whole lot but I really didn't care much.

ACTUALLY.....about 6-7 years ago I switched over to exclusively hunting with a bow. Not quite good enough to hunt pheasants with a bow yet though I HAVE TRIED!!! They make a cool arrow specifically for it. Everything else though, turkeys, deer, hog, you name it. I have a LOT more fun with it. The only time I poke holes at 500m with my 7mm is at damn coyotes!!!!

All the hunting I do is on my own land so after a while you do get to understand their tracking habits and don't need the $500 trail cam and all the other crap. In fact the "real hunters" like the old bearded bastards in my area will agree with the fact that the old boys are never in the same spot at the same time from the same direction twice. People forget that the dominant bucks are that big for a reason.

Typically I'll drop a couple does for meat early in the season, then spend the rest of it having fun screwing with deer! Turkey calls are always great to bring along too Another important part is heard management (the ones with goofy racks) and also being humane and shooting the ones that other idiots missed on. I've seen broken legs, gut shots...you name it....some people are really idiots.
 

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Hehe... just updating with a RANT prefix.
 
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Holy old thread revival
 

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Given the chance , Deer will attack the unsuspecting Humanz Arm your self while you have the chance .DO IT NOW! HURRY, BEFORE IT IS TO LATE!
AAAAAAAAhhhh!!
 

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Old post but, I could not agree more.
 

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Yeah I don't get deer hunting either. Well, any hunting really because I was never taken hunting and now have no interest in it.

I live in redneck hillbilly heaven, so yeah, most guys around here act like their lives revolve around hunting. They will hunt deer, turkey and squirrels (because those are about the only things worth hunting around here), and by God if one of them sees a mountain lion you bet your ass they will kill it for a trophy, despite the fact they're probably endangered by this point because of people doing just that. They hunt in rifle season, bow season, AND muzzleloader season, just because. The put stickers for Browning, Hoyt and Matthews on their trucks just so you know where their allegiance lies, and wear apparel for the same manufacturers.

Then again, maybe it's just an obsession like cars? Except it's a hobby out where you take your toys out to kill with I guess.
 

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I hunt to feed my family. Same with fishing. If I catch a "trophy" fish, I take plenty of pics with it and pics with the tape measure and release it so that it can continue to breed and better the species. As far as other animals, the trophies are nice but, I will be damned if I am going to drag 300+ lbs of deer or hog ect ANY length of distance back to where I can field dress it and clean it. The only trophies I have on the wall are turkey tails only because you can't eat those. I have family members that fit the other type of hunter and it irritates me. I get the same results with 1/8 of my money invested in crap gear ect.
 

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As someone who has hit a deer and almost been killed, fek the deer. Kill them all. For meat or for trophies or just because they are alive. I don't give a chit. There are too damn many of the stupid bastards anyway.
 
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I have always done a lot of fishing and recently I have been considering doing some hunting. I enjoy gourmet cooking and do not enjoy field dressing or butchering large animals so I would probably hunt birds like quail and pheasant. Free meat and I think I would enjoy cooking them No way would I hunt something that I cannot pick up with one hand and carry out of the woods I guess I am lazy that way...
 

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Skinning a rabbit or squirrels (for stew) is a LOT easier than plucking feathers off birds!
 

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D Durden said:
All those things considered, I’m ASTOUNDED at what guys carry to hunt with.
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Probably no more astounded than I am at what some of you more fanatical guys deem "necessary" for home defensive weapons.
 

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everyone has to spend their money somewhere
I hunt in old jeans and flannel. I bought a set of bibs for the really cold days, but all my buds have thousands in mossy oak and ghillie suits and I bring home just as much as they do.
All the salt life stickers on my jeep and kayak help me catch more fish too.
 

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Gearbanger 101 said:
Probably no more astounded than I am at what some of you more fanatical guys deem "necessary" for home defensive weapons.
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Not to get too far off-topic, but when considering "Home Defense" we try to consider not only the lone, unarmed thief that might break in through a window for whatever is quick and easy to cash in for his next dose of drugs, but also the very real situations that happened during the LA Riots and Hurricane Katrina, when armed and violent gangs were roaming freely and stealing everything they could carry.

Will either of those situations happen very often to any of us? I sure hope not! One thing to consider though, is that I do have a fire extinguisher in my house too. I sincerely hope I never have to use it for real, either.
 

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Gearbanger 101 said:
Probably no more astounded than I am at what some of you more fanatical guys deem "necessary" for home defensive weapons.
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It's my house, and I'll defend it with whatever I feel necessary that complies with the law. An addition to that is I will choose to live where the laws allow for that, if you know what I mean?

I look at it like this. If someone breaks into my home (which I admit is unlikely), then I want complete overwhelming superiority. I don't want "just enough" or, worse, "I thought it would be enough". I want the situation ended IMMEDIATELY. I don't want a gun fight. I want the report to read something like "home owner fired three shots and the armed intruder died immediately" or, even better, "the intruder saw the flashlights from the three occupants AK-47's and ran for his life . . . he was caught after officers followed the yellow and brown trail to his home".

How about this? I see people pulled over on the side of the road for speeding with 2 or 3 patrol cars behind them. Why? It's simple speeding. One officer is fine. Same goes for serving search warrants. I've seen MANY occasions where 20 to 50 officers will charge into a house serving a search warrant. There are people cuffed, thrown out into the yard, the house ransacked (legally, of course), and then all 50 of them leave after finding nothing (or no one). Why not just send one or two people in? The answer is that if the police come in with overwhelming force, there's less likely a chance that someone will do something stupid. The theory is sound. It goes something like "there are 20 officers with machine guns trained on you and your children . . . and we already shot the dog and the goldfish . . . so probably best to turn over the stolen bike and don't even THINK about causing trouble . . . assuming you can untie yourself". Overwhelming force works.

TO ME, why would I ignore sound and proven strategy that our police use? I've got more skin in the game than they do. I mean, they can take action or withdraw for "officer safety". I can't withdraw from protecting my family and/or home for "homeowner safety".

Another thing that always sticks with me is this. ANYONE who breaks into MY HOUSE is either desperate or driven. To ignore the deterrents and proceed means that person or persons is ready and willing to do whatever to complete their task. I want a solid defense for that.

Besides, the more hardware I OWN, the less there is for the bad guys to buy.
 

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Ronin38 said:
One thing to consider though, is that I do have a fire extinguisher in my house too. I sincerely hope I never have to use it for real, either.
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Indeed.....but comparatively speaking, where most reasonable people like yourself would deem a fire extinguisher a necessary "just in case" addition to the home, others don't feel safe unless they've got a fully equipped fire truck parked in their garage, complete with dual water cannon, foam canister grenade rounds and full hazmat capabilities. Ya see where I'm heading with this.
 
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