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87_LX_5.0

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While doing some exploring under the hood of my 87 I realized I cannot locate any ground that runs from the engine block to the firewall. Does anyone out there have a good picture of where this ground should be located or a diagram?

Also, is it necessary to use the braided cable for this ground or can normal automotive wire be used? If so, what gauge wire should I use?
 

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It should be behind the driver's side head.

You can make it out of wire, as long as it's flexible and heat resistant. Use as big a wire as the lines to the battery.
 

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Grounds
Grounds are important to any electrical system, and especially to computer controlled engines. In an automobile, the ground is the return path for power to get back to the alternator and battery.

1.) The main power ground is from engine block to battery: it is the power ground for the starter & alternator.


2.) The secondary power ground is between the back of the intake manifold and the driver's side firewall. It is often missing or loose. It supplies ground for the alternator, A/C compressor clutch and other electrical accessories such as the gauges.

Any car that has a 3G or high output current alternator needs a 4 gauge ground wire running from the block to the chassis ground where the battery pigtail ground connects. The 3G has a 130 amp capacity, so you wire the power side with 4 gauge wire. It stands to reason that the ground side handles just a much current, so it needs to be 4 gauge too.

The picture shows the common ground point for the battery & extra 3G alternator ground wire as described above in paragraph 2. A screwdriver points to the bolt that is the common ground point.

The battery common ground is a 10 gauge pigtail with the computer ground attached to it.
Picture courtesy timewarped1972


Correct negative battery ground cable.


3.) The computer has its own dedicated power ground that comes off the ground pigtail
on the battery ground wire. Due to it's proximity to the battery, it may become
corroded by acid fumes from the battery.
In 86-90 model cars, it is a black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/lt green wire.
In 91-95 model cars it is a black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/white wire.
You'll find it up next to the starter solenoid where the wire goes into the wiring harness.


4.) All the sensors have a common separate ground. This includes the TPS, ACT, EGE, BAP, & VSS sensors.

5.) The O2 sensor heaters have their own ground (HEGO ground) coming from the computer. This is different and separate from the O2 sensor ground. It is an orange wire with a ring terminal on it. It is located in the fuel injector wiring harness and comes out under the throttle body. It gets connected to a manifold or bolt on back of the cylinder head.

6.) The TFI module has 2 grounds: one for the foil shield around the wires and another for the module itself. The TFI module ground terminates inside the computer.

7.) The computer takes the shield ground for the TFI module and runs it from pin 20 to the chassis near the computer.

8.) The computer's main power ground (the one that comes from the battery ground wire) uses pins 40 & 60 for all the things it controls internally.


See http://assets.fluke.com/appnotes/automotive/beatbook.pdf for help for help troubleshooting voltage drops across connections and components. .



Extra grounds are like the reserve parachute for a sky diver. If the main one fails, there is always your reserve.

The best plan is to have all the grounds meet at one central spot and connect together there. That eliminates any voltage drops from grounds connected at different places. A voltage drop between the computer ground and the alternator power ground will effectively reduce the voltage available to the computer by the amount of the drop.
 

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This probably explains why my gauges 'bounce' around some while driving and don't move in a nice smooth movement. Is there a dedicated mounting point on the lower intake for the ground to attach?
 

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You can use any place on the intake manifold that is bare clean shiny metal. You can use any wire for the ground strap as long as it is at least 6 gauge. Bare braid on insulated wire work equally well. The firewall has a big sheet metal screw for the ground point. Just make sure that there is bare clean shiny metal to bolt down to.
 

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I've run two (maybe overkill) from the intake to the firewall, and snagged a negative battery cable from a donor and ran that from the block to the chassis, as my battery is in the trunk (where the negative is also tied to the chassis).
 

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Actually, a popular import mod is to run ground wires everywhere. From the engine, the trans, etc...at multiple points. Tehy are actually marketed as "grounding kits" and supposely help with shift points and such with electronically controlled automatic trans.

I wouldn't go that far on a Mustang, but i'd definitely consider a nice engine ground in addition to the factory braided ground
 
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