THE COBRAMAN said:Most of today's paint materials have no place being sprayed in a homeowner's garage, .....
Blue Thunder said:As for Vietnam; If I recall, the death toll of the North Vietnamese was at least one million men, while we lost 58,000+. While I feel that the loss of 58,000+ American soldiers is unacceptable and incredibly tragic, our soldiers still killed 17 or 18 of theirs for every 1 of ours lost.
Blue Thunder said:North Vietnam lost 45,000 men just during their TET Offensive alone
dmoody said:It is interesting that you should mention the TET Offensive which inflicted heavy losses on both sides and was seen as the turning point when we started loosing the war.
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Blue Thunder said:We were attacked without warning, and held them off, and in fact, killed so many of them that they werent able to mount another large scale attack for 2 years.
The media showed graphic images of the aftermath, and that's when people here really saw what was happening over there, and public support for the war dwindled.
Johan said:Too late.
MadMark said:Thunder, you should try learning a bit more about Vietnam than heresay, it's an interesting subject.
Blue Thunder said:.....
So I'd say it's the stereotypical leftist "tree huggers" who are the lower forms of life.
74ProII said:"Ignorance is trainable, Stupidity is hereditary"
Blue Thunder said:History is a set of lies agreed upon.
MadMark said:That's a train of thought used by someone when they wish to discard facts.
{edit} As an example, the French tried warning us off of Nam. This is a fact.
You tried blaming the french for getting us involved in Nam. That's a fiction but you find someone to agree with you and by your thinking it will behistory. A history void of fact which makes it a ficticious history. But the fiction will continue as long as people continuing believing lies.
Dano78 said:Dad was a Marine (3rd and 9th Marine Divs) and Gramps was in the AirForce.
Dano78 said:Wart... you're a leftist tree hugger??
Dad was a Marine (3rd and 9th Marine Divs) and Gramps was in the AirForce.
Dad .... views Vietnam in general as a military win from any standpont and plainly blames the politicians and the media for distroying the US efforts.
You CANNOT compare this to D-Day.
And no Wart, I don't support the Patriot Act.
Blue Thunder said:If the liberals had sprung up during the late 1930s, instead of the 1960s, we probably would have withdrawn from WWII after the first couple months, so I guess I count us fortunate that it happened later rather than sooner.
Blue Thunder said:Unless you were directly involved in the Vietnam conflict, or know someone who was, you can't be certain of what's fact and what's fiction.
Blue Thunder said:Regardless ...our presence in Vietnam was a military victory and a political defeat. A kill ratio of at least 18:1 is a military loss??
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