AFP rise above it and just keep your original Stangnet meet date then..
I don't know if this actually classifies as phishing, but it does certainly seem a bit
hokey. Although it may be legal for Fast Spec. to do this, I think it is not the wisest of ethically sound business practices. A little mis-directing on their part (parden the pun). Just my .02 cents
Tyler, its not phishing if you redirect to your own business with different domains. THAT however is redirecting traffic intended for others. That is what we call stealing.
Do a wikipedia search for it.. Not much mentioned about internet but I think we can all apply it to this situation. Misleading customers who are unaware they are not getting the comany they intended to reach.
ok I wasnt going to respond to this thread HOWEVER... Tyler, Im sure you dont or maybe you do? know that FAST is right down the street from AFP and are in the "same" line of business however they are by no mean "competition" (imo). I agree with it being lame too but when one company starts a website do they sit back and think ohh I better purchase all the domains so the shop down the street wont buy themand to think that at one time I actually stepped foot in that business and bought something from them. NEVER AGAIN!!!!
Misha
Search for what? I know what this stuff is. And it's certainly not phishing.
Not even close. I'm in no way defending FAST and see it as an entirely dick move but it's important to be correct with the facts when you're calling someone out.
I was aware FAST is in the general locale, but not really sure how far apart.
Weak tactic to gain extra traffic but you live and learn. Check out some of the larger domains or companies with .COM -- they'll usually have the other major extensions redirect to their main site. That also protects them from BS like this.
Purchasing the domain name isn't that expensive to have it redirected, but buying the name and having it hosted on it's own server can be. Make sure you understand the differences, and how important it can be in the future.
That's all.
No biggie! Whats the technical name for it then?
Redirect.
Like I said, you can buy domain names for cheap to have them redirected to your real site. In this case it's redirected to FAST's and is just misleading. It costs maybe $10-15, no one has purchased the domain -- why not?
I'm pretty confident whomever setup the redirect knew what they were doing, thus executing the unethical business decision.
These basic functions are still in place as they are attaining customers based upon AFP's name and profiting.
Actually, it doesnt affect us as we do not sell on our site. All we do is show off the cars we are working on, and inform customers of upcoming events. If we used the site like Blue Oval, as a store, and lost profit I could see it as an issue. I guess in a way its a compliment to our name to have another business feel the need to use us in that way.
I have met Ron in person a few times, and he seems like a very nice guy. I honestly dont see Ron as the one that did this. I do however have a strong feeling about who did, as we have had issues before with her, like the blue tape fiasco. Ron was not a part of that, and has apologized that it was ever brought up.
I see. Well a redirect just sounds too easy I guess. Doesn’t carry a negative connotation like their actions.
The reason I deemed it as phishing is that is what I was taught in my schooling. The basic function of phishing is to "redirect" a customer to attain info in order to get their money. These basic functions are still in place as they are attaining customers based upon AFP's name and profiting. I guess I just didn’t have any other title for the illegitimate actions....
I understand this as I have read many definitions, and did my research. My point in posting the comment you responded to was to state that the same basic functions exist. Either way its a moot point. The main concern is the lack of integrity. Thats all.The distinction to make here is that phishing, historically, has been acheived when the victim is unknowingly redirected to an alternate site, where their personal information is taken(or volunteered) and often used fraudulently.
A popular example of this a few years back, occured when many Hotmail users were spammed by con artists, who had copied the basic page layout from the American Red Cross. They then set up a phony Red Cross site, using real Red Cross graphics and information, in order to entice people to, "donate to Hurricane Katrina victims." Many people fell victim, as they had no idea that they had been redirected from the email to a fraudulent site.
If FAST was guilty of phishing, an example would be to hack into Chung's web site for BOP. When someone went to pay online for an item, Chung's payment page would not appear. Instead, the customer would unknowingly be redirected to a FAST payment page, where there would be no indication that the page was not from BOP. At this point, the customer would submit personal information, which would be utilized in any number of illegal manners.
Both of these examples would be classified as illegal. Redirecting people from a similar URL, to your own site, is a common, cheap and effective tool in the e-commerce world. In this case, it was utilized in a less than classy manner. If AFP customers want to find AFP, they will.
I too have talked to Ron about the sticker issue and it wasnt his doing. We all know that. Do you really think they would be stupid enough to do something like this and hang themselves
OK Guys - I too have hesitated to respond and get involved in this but when something like this happens, it affects the mustang hobby as a whole,(and thats when I feel compelled to get involved), not just some competition between 3 shops. Now Im not really computer savvy, but lets think about this for a minute. Who stands to gain or lose in this scenario. As I understand computers, anyone could have bought the domain name and made the link to Fast. Does anyone have any proof that they did it. Now dont anyone get butt hurt over what I say next as they are just hypothetical situations. All Ford and KKP both have alot to gain by discrediting Fast. Also, there are alot of plain sick folk who get on the bandwagon and would want to discredit Fast because Stangnet seems to be biased against them. I too have talked to Ron about the sticker issue and it wasnt his doing. We all know that. Do you really think they would be stupid enough to do something like this and hang themselves. Anyone on this forum could have done this. Could have been me, could have been Cory, could have been any number of people. All I am saying is, lets get some facts before we accuse, judge and convict someone. Does anyone have any hard evidence that Fast did this? Or are they the victim of some sick person. Dave Webster - President - Mustang Wranglers of Oregon
Does anyone have any proof that they did it.
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