yes i think it did have 3:73's dosent the 05 run 0 to 60 in 5.4seconds i dont know but motortrend liked it
yes i think it did have 3:73's dosent the 05 run 0 to 60 in 5.4seconds i dont know but motortrend liked it
if its the turbo that is going bad that is due to poor manufacturing from the company supplying the turbos. ford doesn't build the turbos, and if a turbo seal goes bad it will billow white smoke from the oil being burnt not black.
i dont see why the quality wont be up to par in the turbo engine, we dont see people running around here with a bunch of issues with their roots blown cobras and GT500's.
the quality issues you will hear about are going to come from 2 groups of people- the ones who mod the hell out of the cars and then complain about stuff breaking when they are pushing big power and driving with a lead foot 24/7 and the other group who will buy a car and never have any routine maint. done and then they will call the cars crap because something that was supposed to be changed at 30k wasnt and now has failed at 60k.
i dont see why the quality wont be up to par in the turbo engine, we dont see people running around here with a bunch of issues with their roots blown cobras and GT500's.
Apples to Oranges. The Eaton blower is the staple of forced induction reliability for the industry. They may not knock out the horsepower figures that some of the others do, but that’s only because they were designed to meet strict reliability and noise requirements put forth by the OEM. The Eaton was designed with longevity in mind right from the get go.
the only advantage eaton blowers have is this: less stuff to go wrong. boost leaks aren't ever a problem and a coupler wont ever blow off.
two problems that won't occur in an oem format. okay, ten years down theline with 150 miles on the car, fine, but who the hell buys a car like this to put that many miles on it? furthermore turbo cars are soooooooooooooo much easier to upgrade and efficient than supercharged variants. the trade off is they are slightly more complicated as they depend on pressure equalization to maintain desired boost levels.
eaton blowers were cheaper to manufacture and install, again due to less parts overall.
Excessive fuel /rich conditions produce black smoke but burning engine oil typically produces a blue smoke, not white. Burning coolant/anti-freeze will result in white smoke.
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There are no boost leaks because Eaton’s, unlike Turbo's or Twin Screw aren't compressors. They're basically glorified air pumps. All of the compression takes place in the manifold, after the blower.
Therefore, they aren't subject to seals being blown out because of excess pressure, or damage or deterioration because of excess heat or RPM. The only real way to damage an Eaton is to dramatically over spin it, which in turn creates excessive wear.
You gotta remember...an Eaton M112 spins somewhere in the 10,000-16,000RPM range (at the highest), where a Turbo will generally spin in the 40,000-80,000RPM range and even as high as 140,000RPM depending on the application.Even with a continuous supply of fresh oil, turbo's are more subject to wear than an Eaton.
Hell, I know guys with 200,000K on their Super Coupes that have NEVER changed their supercharger oil. You'll never see a Turbo hold up to that kind of neglect.
Cool, I'll keep that in mind when you've had to remove, disassemble and rebuild your turbo 3-times before my Eaton even starts to show the first sign of wear.know how much a turbo rebuild costs? a few hundred bucks. everyone knows blowers are more durable and to the guy that maintains his car properly... it doesn't matter all that much.
Endurance race....no, but I know I can bolt my Eaton on and have it outlast the rest of the car....you can't really guarantee the same for a turbo. You're absolutely right though...they've each got their purpose as well as their high points and draw backs.are you planning a 200k mile endurance race? blowers are cool, they have their purpose. turbos are cool too, they have their purpose. one is better for certain things than the other and vice versa..
I think you meant to say turbo's, but either way....its not all about efficiency. Turbo's may consume the least horsepower to run, and make more power in the mid and upper ranges, but that's not to say they the most efficient, or move the most air at all RPM. A turbo, no matter how it’s sized or configured hasn't got a prayer against a positive displacement blower in the lower regions of the power curve.blowers are more efficient than the best supercharger, the trade off is they are more complex and require a tiny tiny bit more care.
big woop.
I get the impression that you think because turbo’s make more power, they’re the obvious choice, but if that were the case, why would anyone still bother with blowers.
Cool, I'll keep that in mind when you've had to remove, disassemble and rebuild your turbo 3-times before my Eaton even starts to show the first sign of wear.
Endurance race....no, but I know I can bolt my Eaton on and have it outlast the rest of the car....you can't really guarantee the same for a turbo. You're absolutely right though...they've each got their purpose as well as their high points and draw backs.
I think you meant to say turbo's, but either way....its not all about efficiency. Turbo's may consume the least horsepower to run, and make more power in the mid and upper ranges, but that's not to say they the most efficient, or move the most air at all RPM. A turbo, no matter how it’s sized or configured hasn't got a prayer against a positive displacement blower in the lower regions of the power curve.
If you think the need to constantly monitor oil lines, oil pumps, seals, fittings, couplers, exhaust leaks and on top of that the need to remove, disassemble and rebuild them every few years is only a “tiny, tiny bit more care” and no "big woop", then I'm happy for you.
Myself, I'll remain content with making simple, repeatable, consistent, maintenance free power for years to come. Making a little less power is a welcome trade off to the headaches and maintenance of staying on top of a turbo for the next several years.
i just think its hilarious that the mentallity of "superchargers are more durable" is pretty ironic seeing as how waaaaaaaaaaaay more production vehicles are equipped with turbochargers than superchargers.
And many of them suffer reliability issues unless the boost is limited to a pitiful level.
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