patriot heads

Bullitt347 · Jan 7, 2009

A friend of mine used then on his 4.6 and they worked great.

ShortThrow50 · Jan 7, 2009

all i ever read about patriot is that it is garbage but i realize that you cant beleive everything you read. i have seen some pictures of them out of the box though and i wouldnt never try my chances

795.0pacecar · Jan 7, 2009

I've seen them look good and awful out of the box, but I have never seen a set actually make the power or flow what they advertise.

strtrcr50 · Jan 7, 2009

Ed Curtis of Flowtech Induction took some pics of a set he bought..
Here's the link
Patriot Freedom pictures - Hardcore 5.0 - The Mustang Drag Racers Forum

One91Fox · Jan 7, 2009

I have been told they have really good ls1 heads but haven't heard much about the Ford heads.

Brian@PAR · Jan 7, 2009

That thread on HardCore not withstanding think about this.

Bare patriot heads 695, assembled 935. That's 240.00 in valve train retail.

Our RHS heads have over 400.00 in valve train (solid roller cam) and that's at our cost.

Which heads do you think have better parts? Save your money for something worthwhile.

Any size SBF head for any type cam 1395.00.

strtrcr50 · Jan 7, 2009

Ed Curtis said:
The castings are Chinese.

The valvetrain is a mix of various South American companies. Valves may be of India or Mexican decent. Depends on the original supplier.

They do not use Ferrea in their LSx heads, that's a fact. Private label usually mean "cheapest bidder".

If anyone is considering purchasing these heads, you must look at all the pieces being used in the lowest priced heads. Single valve springs, steel retainers, stamped locks and only a "bowl rework" to the heads. They "may be" a decent starting point but if you add up all the peripherals to make them work for any stout hydraulic roller small block, they approach the price of a Twisted Wedge or Dart head with the good parts.
BTW, Gunnar is a great guy to talk to. His customer support is super. I just didn't care for the product line.

Ed

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strtrcr50 · Jan 7, 2009

Brian@PAR said:
That thread on HardCore not withstanding think about this.

Bare patriot heads 695, assembled 935. That's 240.00 in valve train retail.

Our RHS heads have over 400.00 in valve train (solid roller cam) and that's at our cost.

Which heads do you think have better parts? Save your money for something worthwhile.

Any size SBF head for any type cam 1395.00.

How do the RHS heads compare with the Canfields and Trick Flows?

Brian@PAR · Jan 7, 2009

strtrcr50 said:
How do the RHS heads compare with the Canfields and Trick Flows?

You can't do an apples to apples comparison of those three heads. Well unless you are comparing the High Ports to Canfields but not even then.

The Canfields have raised ports, revised valve placement, and longer runners. The TW heads have a VERY revised valve placement and shorter runners. The RHS are a typical in-line head.

So how are RHS heads different from other in line heads? They have a slightly revised valve placement that helps unshroud the intake valve, but the stud placement is stock. This means you can use a standard stud support if you like. Their exhaust is drilled for both the standard and 3" bolt spacing which is nice if you want to run big tube headers. They have a large area over the valve, about 105% of the valve size. This slows down the charge and helps it make the turn into the cylinder. They have a good (.400) clearance between the chamber and the valve which reduces shrouding and they have a generous clearance around the PR pinch. In flow testing they top out at .700 but loose very little flow from there to 1".

Bottom line with the right cam you can make up to 1.6 HP per CID with their 200 head and 1.4 with their 180 head. I never recommend the 215 head (well maybe for a 408) on a 4.030 bore as the intake is a 2.080 which is really better suited for a 4.125 bore.

strtrcr50 · Jan 7, 2009

That being said, in your opinion is it worth it to pay a little more and get either the canfield or trick flows?

squeak93 · Jan 8, 2009

I bought patriots, they cracked within 4 months of the motor running. Poor castings. My motor didn't get hot, nor did It detonate.......

Took out my motor with them.

You get what u pay for.

warriorpluto · Jan 8, 2009

squeak93 said:
I bought patriots, they cracked within 4 months of the motor running. Poor castings. My motor didn't get hot, nor did It detonate.......

Took out my motor with them.

You get what u pay for.

well.....looks like the patriot heads arent so patriot after all. lol. ill be sticking with my gt40p for a little while longer.

squeak93 · Jan 8, 2009

For the record patriot wanted to try to help me with the head but it would of done nothing for me with the motor damage and the port work I'd already done to the heads. Oh and I had to upgrade the springs b/c the ones on there are chit.......

2002BLGT · Jan 8, 2009

I am going to stick with 100 percent USA made products IMO

Brian@PAR · Jan 8, 2009

strtrcr50 said:
That being said, in your opinion is it worth it to pay a little more and get either the canfield or trick flows?

It depends. Let me frame my answer.

I'm a dealer for all three. Our price on RHS is set to compete directly with the other two. I also make more on RHS than the other two.

So with that said. If you have the some header clearance buy the Canfield 195s. Keep in mind that the exhaust ports are raised .400 so this will move the headers up and out by .200. This may not be an issue for you but I've seen it become one on some cars.

If you have TW pistons then the buy the Fast as Cast.

If either of those two are no or you are unsure then use the RHS. RHS is a very good head. Will you make more power with one over the other? Well maybe, that depends on a lot of things but you get a very large crossection (for the runner size) with the TW and a very efficient port with the Canfields. So I have little choice but to give them the nod.

One thing we offer in both the Canfield and the RHS heads is springs rates set up for your cam. All three use 7/16th studs and all three use 10*locks.

In our RHS there is no up charge for solid roller cams. We typically have to use longer valves (more expensive), longer studs, and the springs are more but the price is the same.

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