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This Months Mm&ff Did An Article On A 94 Vert Indy Pace Car. Do These Hp #'s Sound Low?

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So they did an article about a guy and his 94 cobra convertible Indy pace car and how even though it was rare he still drives around and yadda yadda. So they get to the specs and they say it has AFR 165's, a T.Moss ported Cobra intake, don't remember what cam or if they said, and a Vortech V2 sq and it makes 370 some odd (I think it was 377) hp. That doesn't sound like an awful lot being an "h/c/i" car w a blower. How much boost does the v2 super quiet make?
 

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Automatic cars show lower numbers(usually an extra 5-10%)and I assume that is a probable issue. The numbers do sound a little low. Some other reasons may be what type of dyno it was,cobra intake,pulleys(boost level),altitude,etc. those blowers work fine.
 
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I make about 14 # on mine.. I have a super quiet
 

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Pops Fun Blown with 623rwhp
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94 GT Laser Red Vert.(1 of 269)
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/306320
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I'm curious about the 1 of 269 reference. If that is the production run for the Laser Red '94 vert then my Laser Red '94 vert with the white interior must be 1 of a very small number. Where does one find these production numbers?
 

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I'm curious about the 1 of 269 reference. If that is the production run for the Laser Red '94 vert then my Laser Red '94 vert with the white interior must be 1 of a very small number. Where does one find these production numbers?
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I got some numbers from.... Thrdgenreg@aol.com
I tried searching thirdgenerationandbeyond.com couldn't find it ... maybe your skills are better.



Edit hope this helps
 
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Keep in mind not everyone shoots for the stars either. If it's pace car the owner may consider it rare and precious. Pace cars usually aren't my thing, but those numbers should still provide a pretty quick car while keeping it reliable. He really may not want to get into completely modifying the whole thing.

Only thing that is kinda weird about the whole thing is that since it's a cobra with a cobra top end he could have just added the supercharger and got the same the numbers, would have required a couple more pounds of boost, but that's about it.
 
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Keep in mind not everyone shoots for the stars either. If it's pace car the owner may consider it rare and precious. Pace cars usually aren't my thing, but those numbers should still provide a pretty quick car while keeping it reliable. He really may not want to get into completely modifying the whole thing.

Only thing that is kinda weird about the whole thing is that since it's a cobra with a cobra top end he could have just added the supercharger and got the same the numbers, would have required a couple more pounds of boost, but that's about it.
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He had a 331 in it that made 400 some odd and I don't remember why but he put a 302 back im w the AFR's
 

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He had a 331 in it that made 400 some odd and I don't remember why but he put a 302 back im w the AFR's
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While I don't know the details, a NA 400hp 331 may not have been the most street friendly setup. I bet the aspirated 302 is a little easier to drive off idle.

I like NA engines as for I believe they are more reliable than supercharged pushrod setups, nothing likes forcing more air than the engine wants through it.
But I also believe it comes at a low end cost if you want big numbers.

I'm starting to believe a centrifical setup with a very mild cam at about 400rwhp may be one of the most driveable setups out there. People can make the argument for roots or screw blowers, and while my dohc sc engine may not be the same, big hp at low rpms makes is downright sketchy any time traction isn't excellent, for sure undriveable in the rain.

At least with a vortech you have to put your foot in it to get into the power.
 
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While I don't know the details, a NA 400hp 331 may not have been the most street friendly setup. I bet the aspirated 302 is a little easier to drive off idle.

I like NA engines as for I believe they are more reliable than supercharged pushrod setups, nothing forcing more air than the engine wants through it.
But I also believe it comes at a low end cost if you want big numbers.

I'm starting to believe a centrifical setup with a very mild cam at about 400rwhp may be one of the most driveable setups out there. People can make the argument for roots or screw blowers, and while my dohc sc engine may not be the same, big hp at low rpms makes is downright sketchy any time traction isn't excellent, for sure undriveable in the rain.

At least with a vortech you have to put your foot in it to get into the power.
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I've often wondered about such a setup. Having some 450-500+ft lbs tq@low rpm would be a handful on the street. Especially on a high speed rated tire in a typical mustang rear suspension. Heck my nearly stock powered car used to get squirrely not alone with an extra 200+ ft lbs.
 

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I've often wondered about such a setup. Having some 450-500+ft lbs tq@low rpm would be a handful on the street. Especially on a high speed rated tire in a typical mustang rear suspension. Heck my nearly stock powered car used to get squirrely not alone with an extra 200+ ft lbs.
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Try cruising on a damp/ wet road, 5th gear, say around mid 2000's rpm 65mph+ and your hear zzzzzzzzz and it's your rear tires spinning. Car slides in traffic a 180 and you save it facing on coming traffic in the fast lane (2 lane one direction highway). It has happened to me, on nitto drag radials with much less power than I have now.
It's an enlightening experience. If the weather report said 1% chance of rain with the setup I have now, I wouldn't take it out.
 
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While I don't know the details, a NA 400hp 331 may not have been the most street friendly setup. I bet the aspirated 302 is a little easier to drive off idle.

I like NA engines as for I believe they are more reliable than supercharged pushrod setups, nothing likes forcing more air than the engine wants through it.
But I also believe it comes at a low end cost if you want big numbers.

I'm starting to believe a centrifical setup with a very mild cam at about 400rwhp may be one of the most driveable setups out there. People can make the argument for roots or screw blowers, and while my dohc sc engine may not be the same, big hp at low rpms makes is downright sketchy any time traction isn't excellent, for sure undriveable in the rain.

At least with a vortech you have to put your foot in it to get into the power.
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2000xp8 said:
While I don't know the details, a NA 400hp 331 may not have been the most street friendly setup. I bet the aspirated 302 is a little easier to drive off idle.

I like NA engines as for I believe they are more reliable than supercharged pushrod setups, nothing likes forcing more air than the engine wants through it.
But I also believe it comes at a low end cost if you want big numbers.

I'm starting to believe a centrifical setup with a very mild cam at about 400rwhp may be one of the most driveable setups out there.

At least with a vortech you have to put your foot in it to get into the power.
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I'm dreaming of such a setup. I'm 100 hp shy.
 
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