Took a ride in a ~500hp evo 9!!

spoulson · Dec 1, 2009

So who here has a 600hp turbo Mustang? Buelller? Bueller?

Come on guys. Use some common sense. Turbocharging makes for very steep torque curves. Saying "600hp" doesn't tell the whole story. I can't speak for that run on Pass Time (esp. since I didn't see it yet), but in all honesty it depends on how the car was built up. Did the guy use a 2-step? Does the car start spooling high at 4000 rpm, leaving a narrow power band (dyno queen)? Was nitrous used to help spool?

Anyway, I've seen plenty of N/A V8's flunk runs on Pass Time. I can pick out some Youtube videos of DSMs going nuts in streetable trim.[/rant]

fiveohwblow · Dec 1, 2009

There are multiple guys on here with 600 HP stangs and a handful of them with turbos. Our power adder of choice for much longer has been the S/C or Nitrous so many will have that instead. I have an S/C and have 500 HP and would love to have the chance to run him or any other like him for that matter.

To the OP, I completely agree. Fun is fun. You had fun and that is all that matters! I rode in an evo with 450 awhp and I had a great time. My first thought wasnt that it sucked and gese there are so many things I would rather be doing. I was thinking I like to go fast period and thats what was happening. No sword fighting about whats better just fun or not fun.

mob · Dec 1, 2009

5.0Droptop said:
Dont compare it to mustangs. I bet it will flat out move though!

Why not?

If I had the money I would buy one to mod it. A corolla, or sentra is a car you buy to DD and not mod. The STI and EVO are tuner cars and are made to mod. The theory that they have 500hp and 100 ft lbs of torque is BS because if you were to drive one no matter what the "numbers" are you would say holy crap this things pulls harder than my mustang with bolt ons. Not taking anything away from mustangs, I wouldnt own one if I was trying to do that, but give credit where credit is due and dont talk unless you've driven one of these cars.

90lxcoupe · Dec 1, 2009

I'll run him with my 400 hp street car, we can start the race in my driveway, drive to the track, make a few passes and drive home. My friend with the EVO is afraid to bring his to the track casue he is pretty sure he will break something, and he needs a clutch which is gonna cost him 1400 for just the parts.

Kinda funny how the motor is less than half the size of ours and the parts cost 3 times as much

Gearbanger 101 · Dec 1, 2009

mob said:
Why not?

If I had the money I would buy one to mod it. A corolla, or sentra is a car you buy to DD and not mod.

Much like a Civic, or a Sunfire, right....but then that's never stopped any of these ricer ass hats from sinking piles of money into them and calling them "race cars".

mob said:
The STI and EVO are tuner cars and are made to mod.

Please...please can we drop the "tuner car" acronym? It has to be one of the dumbest descriptions I've ever heard. This is some made up pairing of words to make kids feel better about driving econobox’s. What exactly does that even mean? A tuner car.....wouldn't our Mustangs be "tuner cars" as well? Couldn't any car be considered a "tuner car" for that matter? Man, I hate ricer lingo.

mob said:
The theory that they have 500hp and 100 ft lbs of torque is BS because if you were to drive one no matter what the "numbers" are you would say holy crap this things pulls harder than my mustang with bolt ons. Not taking anything away from mustangs, I wouldnt own one if I was trying to do that, but give credit where credit is due and dont talk unless you've driven one of these cars.

They pull hard because they're all wheel drive, not because they make copious amounts of torque. Traction is what sets them apart from our RWD work horses, not torque. I can't touch them off the line on street tires, but I leave WRX's in the first 60ft all day long in my 4,000lb Cougar with a set of drag radials out back.

spoulson · Dec 1, 2009

90lxcoupe said:
My friend with the EVO is afraid to bring his to the track casue he is pretty sure he will break something, and he needs a clutch which is gonna cost him 1400 for just the parts.

Mustangs break, too. DSM/EVO clutches do not cost $1400 in parts. Need clarification.

Kinda funny how the motor is less than half the size of ours and the parts cost 3 times as much

Again, clarification needed on overgeneralized statement. So far as I've seen, Mustang vs. DSM parts have not cost all that much different, whether common bolt-ons or engine/powertrain parts.

Anyway, my point is, plenty of posters are speaking on behalf of other 600hp turbo Mustang owners as if building one is somehow easier or cheaper than any other given car. My response is, these damn cars do not walk on water.

fiveohwblow · Dec 1, 2009

Ill have to agree to an extent spoulson. I have spent plenty of money to get my car where it is now and do it right. Not cheap, just less expensive I think for basic boltons simply due to basic laws of economics i.e. supply and demand.

mob · Dec 1, 2009

Gearbanger 101 said:
Much like a Civic, or a Sunfire, right....but then that's never stopped any of these ricer ass hats from sinking piles of money into them and calling them "race cars".

Yes bt you cant compare a stock Evo to a stock civic or sunfire.

Gearbanger 101 said:
Please...please can we drop the "tuner car" acronym? It has to be one of the dumbest descriptions I've ever heard. This is some made up pairing of words to make kids feel better about driving econobox’s. What exactly does that even mean? A tuner car.....wouldn't our Mustangs be "tuner cars" as well? Couldn't any car be considered a "tuner car" for that matter? Man, I hate ricer lingo.

I consider most import cars that are fast to be "tuner" cars. Its like them saying what is a "muscle car". I realize the term has been around for much longer but what does it mean? To me a tuner car is a non "muscle car" that is worth tuning (ie. STI, EVO, Skyline)

Gearbanger 101 said:
They pull hard because they're all wheel drive, not because they make copious amounts of torque. Traction is what sets them apart from our RWD work horses, not torque. I can't touch them off the line on street tires, but I leave WRX's in the first 60ft all day long in my 4,000lb Cougar with a set of drag radials out back.

I am not talking about lining up and racing. I am talking about what you feel when you are sitting in the car and hit the gas pedal. And when I am talking about them pulling hard I am not only talking about from a stop. I drove a stock Evo 8 and I was incredibly surprised how much 3rd gear would push your neck back when the turbo would spool. Its a completely different feeling than a mustang.

HankyGT · Dec 1, 2009

I gotta say, with all the $ I have spent on my mustang...and I have spent ALOT; Dollar for dollar there is NO WAY my mustang could touch my DSM. If I had to do it all over; I would laugh at you if you asked me to build a mustang. WE *collectively* are the 'evo' or 'honda' of the muscle car world. The about only 'good' thing going for us is the body itself. Isn't one damn thing that doesnt grenade or need replaced on these cars to get the job done right.

I'd laugh my ass off at someone saying I needed an aftermarket block in my DSM.

For under a legit $200 I was going FASTER than my h/c/i car...and consistantly.

Unless you have a bottle, it's hard to compare for the coin. Sticky tires aren't fee either and the last I checked they didn't come stock. Do you hook just as hard on the street as the track? Do you care if you don't only race at the track? If you are 500% against street racing and ONLY have the equal stomping grounds of a track, then so be it; but you still need a hard hooking drag radial. This argument MIGHT have some validity vs an 03 cobra or an LS1 debate compared to an evo.

Yes, they (evos) are more money to get into....but it's also a much newer and nicer car. Buy a newer mustang of the same vintage. It's more $ and is going to get butt stuffed by the evo stock for stock. The only mustang that does compare is an 03 cobra for price and performance; with the edge going to the cobra stock. I must say I have also seen some lackluster (to where it would compare near identically et wise to a stock evo) stock or close to stock 03 cobras....but just like the evos; they wake up HARD.

If I had my own 15k to spend, I'd be buying a corvette and screwing the tugboat and the pocket rocket; but that's besides the point.

I will wholeheartedly agree that for the most part alot of the 'tuner' cars are utter **** being owned and operated by idiots; with the latter being young kids. Unfortunatly those same people own cars from every camp and platform. I can count the # of actual fast cars done right I know of near me and as usual, they are all execptions to the rule. Clean well built and FAST cars will always get respect so long as the onlooker isn't an ignorant a$$ himself.

I guess in closing, I like mustangs alot, my car sounds awesome and RWD is the absolute most fun platform to drive and you can hook it fairly hard to boot. But driving around a well done AWD dsm or variant on the street is like having a loaded gun. It may not always sound the part to the untrained ear (dumped wastegates, loud bov's, cams, and spoolup might not be for everyone if it's on a 4cyl but whatever)...but when you bring that sucker out at 6k from a dead stop; not getting out to air your tires down, not anything....good luck to whoever is next to you because you are going to need ALOT of car to run a faster one back down.

When it comes to a streetcar, they are definately hard to touch.

25thmustang · Dec 1, 2009

Driving and riding along are also two very, very different things.

I have been a passenger in cars that have surprised me. One car I went for a ride in stuffed me into the seat and felt very, very fast. Come to find out the car barely pulled half a car length on mine in a side by side run at an abandoned airport... Amazing how it felt compared to mine, but in the end it was all SOTP.

Just my .02. I don't care either way about EVOs and STIs. Can't afford to mod them, so I don't worry about them.

1991notchbackLX · Dec 1, 2009

This forum is the only automobile forum on the internet with a 99% lack of brand loyalty. It never ceases to amaze me. I agree with most of the valid arguments within reason but come on, aren't we supposed to love these cars to death? Go on ls1tech and bring up an EVO or Mustang and watch what happens. Go on an EVO forum and bring up a fox body and watch what happens. Go on and STI forum and bring up any of the above and watch the result. You'll get FLAMED and BANNED within a few posts.

Yet... bring up a rival brand on Stangnet and members come out of the woodwork to suck the soot off the rival car's tail pipe. I, for one, am getting sick of the pandering. Get your act together, guys.

90lxcoupe · Dec 1, 2009

spoulson said:
Mustangs break, too. DSM/EVO clutches do not cost $1400 in parts. Need clarification.

Again, clarification needed on overgeneralized statement. So far as I've seen, Mustang vs. DSM parts have not cost all that much different, whether common bolt-ons or engine/powertrain parts.

Anyway, my point is, plenty of posters are speaking on behalf of other 600hp turbo Mustang owners as if building one is somehow easier or cheaper than any other given car. My response is, these damn cars do not walk on water.

OK for a GOOD clutch in an evo you are spending 1000+ or you could buy a junk ACT clutch, but that is still over 500 bucks, my clutch was 600 dollars, and that is pretty expensive in the mustang world, i used a 300 dollar Centerforce with 480rwhp with no problems, you cant even get an Spec stage 1 evo clutch for 550 bucks.

And yes EVO drivelines are weak, you cant argue that point, the transfer cases and axles arent built for abuse, i'd put way more faith in a subaru drivetrain. and there are guys running 9's on stock mustang axles, i would do it, but besides tranny's and blocks not much mustang stuff is fairly strong

You really cant tell me that DSM parts are in line with mustang parts with a straight face can you? Ive never seen a 3000 dollar mustang clutch have you?

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fiveohwblow · Dec 1, 2009

bentley429isBAC · Dec 1, 2009

**** Evo's. There I said it again.

blackened88lx · Dec 1, 2009

$70k to go 10s and still be a homo or $15-20k to go 9s in a Mustang? I know which one I would chose... Some of you people are dumber than a box of rocks.

bentley429isBAC said:
**** Evo's. There I said it again.

That sums it up. /Thread

HankyGT · Dec 1, 2009

90lxcoupe said:
OK for a GOOD clutch in an evo you are spending 1000+ or you could buy a junk ACT clutch, but that is still over 500 bucks, my clutch was 600 dollars, and that is pretty expensive in the mustang world, i used a 300 dollar Centerforce with 480rwhp with no problems, you cant even get an Spec stage 1 evo clutch for 550 bucks.

And yes EVO drivelines are weak, you cant argue that point, the transfer cases and axles arent built for abuse, i'd put way more faith in a subaru drivetrain. and there are guys running 9's on stock mustang axles, i would do it, but besides tranny's and blocks not much mustang stuff is fairly strong

You really cant tell me that DSM parts are in line with mustang parts with a straight face can you? Ive never seen a 3000 dollar mustang clutch have you?

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Since when did ACT clutches become junk? They've served me pretty damn well, and I got near 3 full seasons out of one in a 12.0-11.9 car. I guess a clutch isn't supposed to be a wear item

They now cost @ $450 and a replacement disk is like $130. Pretty much inline with spec etc....that and go check out the tq ratings on half of the 'HD' shelf mustang clutches. You are going to spend around $700 if you want some real holding force...hell most of the specs use the same pressure plate and just change friction material. It's not to say they don't work, but you need kicked in the nuts if you think you have to spend $1000 just to get a clutch in your car. Clutches that expensive are a twin disk setup and you know DAMN WELL, it's just as much $ to put one in anything...lol @ the $4k triple disk......I've no clue and don't want to know the standard going rate for that serious a setup.

Drivetrain sucks in both. People go fast on stock t-5s. Others grenade. Some people go fast on stock DSM trans....others grenade. Is there no middle ground between a t-5 and a lenco?

Evo xfer cases in particular do seem to suck however.....not so much the case on a dsm until you start REALLY going fast ie: 8sec range. But hell its a STOCK case on those still and mostly an issue with stickshift cars at that point.

Stock axles and the latter maybe in super light gutted fox...and you're a *****ing moron if you're stupid enough to get behind the wheel of a 9 sec car without dropping $250 on some axles. I'm sure those are like repeat season cars....lololol....right. GO shear that off half track.

Maybe other boards are more vindictive because their cars didn't start as a 225hp present to their 16yr old daughter for highschool.
Mustangs CAN make great drag cars and once you get into the BIG $ stuff, yes they are superior with stronger parts available and more support; but hell dude, I don't drive a 6sec car and neither do you and chances are if you are not in the low 10s high 9s, theres some driven streetcars that are going to tear you up. It's just a platform choice get over it.

No one hates mustangs or they wouldnt be on this board, but Im sure a few of us who aren't of the ''i'll drive a ford/mustangs or ill walk lousy GM, *** crap, etc etc....redneck overload rant''; and are just enthusiasts enjoy cars for what they are, some don't just focus in a straight line, and some will call a spade for a spade. Mustangs are awesome. Fun, cheap, relatively easy to go faster, huge support, huge fanbase, and are the american pony car. It's all good ****. But there's no reason to call something else crap out of no other reason than spite

Foxes are tincan rattly POS deathtraps. I still love em.

7upstang91 · Dec 1, 2009

banks has a 600hp Lightning! Does that count as one of the "turbo mustangs"? Pretty sure he would walk one of the Evo's. Sure they 'might' be fun. But not in the straight line. Most of the Mustangs on this site would smoke Evo's.

Mr. Rustypwnz · Dec 1, 2009

7upstang91 said:
banks has a 600hp Lightning! Does that count as one of the "turbo mustangs"? Pretty sure he would walk one of the Evo's. Sure they 'might' be fun. But not in the straight line. Most of the Mustangs on this site would smoke Evo's.

ive never driven a 600hp lighning, but i have drove a 500hp lightning, and it was damn fun, just seemed weird going that fast in a truck lol

NIKwoaC · Dec 1, 2009

1991notchbackLX said:
This forum is the only automobile forum on the internet with a 99% lack of brand loyalty. It never ceases to amaze me. I agree with most of the valid arguments within reason but come on, aren't we supposed to love these cars to death? Go on ls1tech and bring up an EVO or Mustang and watch what happens. Go on an EVO forum and bring up a fox body and watch what happens. Go on and STI forum and bring up any of the above and watch the result. You'll get FLAMED and BANNED within a few posts.

Yet... bring up a rival brand on Stangnet and members come out of the woodwork to suck the soot off the rival car's tail pipe. I, for one, am getting sick of the pandering. Get your act together, guys.

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I used to jump head first into arguments like this but it just isn't worth it anymore. Just wait though, the next person to comment on this will say something like "brand loyalty is ignorant"...

Wait a second, didn't you own a Chevelle for like a week?

Chrome_Rust · Dec 1, 2009

spoulson said:
I've owned two modded Mitsus before my Stang, BLAH BLAH BLAH....... e.g. 4g63's have always come with DOHC, roller rockers and distributorless ignition since 1990. When did Ford finally do this? Stock bottom end can take ~500hp. There's no aftermarket heads for 4g63's because they already flow well.

Yea I know... Quoting from the 1st page...
Ford started it in 1991 with the 4.6 in the Lincoln TC. Then the beans came out in 1993 with the MKVIII... 4.6 DOHC.... so a few years after... not to bad...

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