Toyota recalls - People are STUPID

trombonedemon · Mar 15, 2010

Modular2v said:
Ford, Gm and Dodge should be the only car companies in america!!! I have no problem with allowing imports to sell here but we should hike the tarriffs up on them so high!!!!!!!! You want the american economy to recover???????? START BUYING AMERICAN then american companies wouldnt have to outsource!

+10

'13_ImpactBlue_GT · Mar 15, 2010

Ateup said:
Toyota makes great vehicles and I hate to see them get hit as bad as they have. I hope they can recover, for all the americans that depend on them for their living. There's a ton of lowlife's jumping on the Toyota bashing bandwagon right now. Saw a class action commercial from an ambulance chaser last night.

As a society, instead of blaming ourselves for a situation that we created, we cry "Im gonna sue" and thus begins more crap.

Shiroelex · Mar 15, 2010

Gearbanger 101 said:
Tell that to the families of the people who have died, or seriously injured because of this issue. I don't think any of them care of the car made 100hp, or 1000hp. Dead is still dead!!!

As far as the speeding because the vehicles were floored issue. You're forgetting your basic mechanics 101. The first remedy for a stuck throttle is to quickly slam it to the floor. So because it’s still stuck there after the accident, does that automatically mean you were speeding?

And yes...throwing it in neutral is an option in most cases, but that's only effective if the person behind the wheel has that kind of time to react and/or doesn't panic and forget to do it altogether. The fact of the matter remains, that people shouldn't have to worry about recovering from a stuck throttle to begin with.

Effective if they have that kind of time to react? We can't be talking about a ton of HP here, so how long do they need? I read a few stories of people whom exceeded 100mph before they crashed. How many options do you have in this case, as far as emergency control is concerned? I doubt that an automatic Toyota can overpower any properly operating 4 wheel disc brake system with the pedal fully depressed. Neutral is an option. Shutting it off is an option. Any of these could have been applied WELL before 100mph. I can understand a moment of panic, but NOT a 5 minute moment.

I think this is turning into another Explorer rollover issue. Albeit the Firestone tires were defective, they have proven that over 80% of the rollovers were due to overloaded trucks and uneducated drivers. Uneducated as in, people getting too comfortable with the car-like handling, and jerking the wheel hard when a tire blows out causing the flip. I've owned a few Explorers, and had one of my 33" tires blow out doing 70, and I calmly pulled off to the side of the freeway.

I was told that the throttle issue has to do with the fly-by-wire system. The gas pedal basically has a potentiometer on it, and another mechanism that applies slight resistance, so you still have some feeling in the pedal. The thing that applies the resistance was wearing out and sticking. Now, on some of the vans I have to work on at my job have fly-by-wire on them as well. If I mash the gas in neutral, it revs to 4k, and will only hold that rpm for 30 seconds or so before it stops, even if I still have the pedal planted to the floor. If I start the van up with the gas to the floor, it just idles and the pedal will do nothing until I shut the van off and start it again. There are these types of safety bypasses in place on these vans, what's going on with the 'Yotas?

On a somewhat side note, I used to have a 91 Tacoma with the 22R-E 4 cylinder in it. That engine WOULD NOT DIE. Ran it totally out of oil once, and it didn't make a sound. Had over 300k on it before the frame behind the cab rotted in half. It was on it's third bed at that point. I loved that truck. We had rebadged it to say Yotato Taco.

fastgtfairlane · Mar 15, 2010

I have been a Toyota employee for almost 2 years now. I am in sales. Please, keep the Toyota press coming, major sales boost for us. 44 new and used delivered Saturday and 17 new and used delivered Sunday!! Keep it up.

On a serious note, the truth of the recall and all of the gas pedal complaints is about to come out. My GM has been talking with a LA Times reporter about the runaway Prius incidents.

Funny and interesting facts here for all of you diehard US car people. The Camry is the MOST AMERICAN MADE CAR IN THE COUNTRY. Look it up if you dont believe it. GMs are built in Mexico.

Look at these links for interesting facts about the gas pedal recalls and proof that it is a hoax.

Toyota Hybrid Horror Hoax - Forbes.com

This is an article about a guy with a runaway prius. it also goes on to mention how the 2007 v6 camry will stop with the gas pedal floored in a shorter distance than a roush mustang without the gas pedal. hmm very interesting. this is coming out to be driver error NOT toyota.

This is an article about how a video made deplicting a stuck throttle cable on a avalon was staged.

The Mechanics of ABC News' Unintended Toyota Acceleration Hoax - Toyota Recall - Jalopnik

I would put a toyota vehicles quality up against ANY vehicle on the road for safety and quality.

Dragstr05 · Mar 15, 2010

Modular2v said:
Ford, Gm and Dodge should be the only car companies in america!!! I have no problem with allowing imports to sell here but we should hike the tarriffs up on them so high!!!!!!!! You want the american economy to recover???????? START BUYING AMERICAN then american companies wouldnt have to outsource!

I love america. And I love american made cars. Having said that, america has put out alot of junk in the past. It's been getting better though. Every once in a while I'll get a used car to check out of various makes; pontiac, honda, chevy, ford, you name it. The domestics have PROVEN to me over and over again, between squeaks and rattles, various fluid leaks, etc that their build quality is sub par to japanese built vehicles. Sorry. This is not a bias. My mustang has 147k on the ticker and runs great. I love it and its my only car.

Just to add to it; over the summer with the "clunker" program the government put out, probably 50% of those cars were chrysler products. Followed by ford/chevy. Very, very few japanese or german vehicles got traded in for that program. And guess what towed them when they wouldnt start in the parking lot and we had to move them...a late 90's toyota tacoma 4 banger with over 250k miles and a manual trans.

Kilgore Trout · Mar 15, 2010

My favorite brands are Ford and Honda.

ran260gt · Mar 15, 2010

Modular2v said:
Ford, Gm and Dodge should be the only car companies in america!!! I have no problem with allowing imports to sell here but we should hike the tarriffs up on them so high!!!!!!!! You want the american economy to recover???????? START BUYING AMERICAN then american companies wouldnt have to outsource!

That would never work , do the big three really need another reason to build ****y cars the fall apart , especially GM ! I have worked on in some way just about every car made in this country and its unreal the junk that comes out of the big three , I love my Ford MoCo but the Jabanese build much better cars that are much easier to fix and work on , It seems that most people have a blind faith when it comes to the big three and refuse to accept the above statement !

Most to the Big three parts come from overseas and half of GM **** is built outside of the US , so is this really going to help the econmy recover , NO because as long as you have greedy ****s running this country it will never recover !

peepeeskillz · Mar 15, 2010

prius problem isnt a hoax
Wozniak cites 'scary' Prius acceleration problem | Nanotech - The Circuits Blog - CNET News
keeps accelerating if you go above 70 with the cruise control, or so i heard

and true, the toyotas are built in the US, but by people getting paid slave wages compared to people working for GM and ford

Dustys'99 · Mar 15, 2010

All the car companies have had their share of bad press, recalls, defects, etc. It's just Toyotas turn for a while. Next month it will be something else, at some other companies expense....God be with the families affected by this issue.

fastgtfairlane · Mar 15, 2010

Honda, GM, Subaru, Ford have all had a gas pedal recall but didnt make the Press. The reason it went so big with Toyota is because its the best selling auto company in the US. We all know the press bends the truth and exaggerates things quite a bit. Its really funny cause people come to my dealership saying things like " yall must be struggling right now." I just laugh cause our dealerships sales and service are up 30% from March of last year. They can just look around and see that its really busy. Toyota will come out farther ahead then they were before in the end.

I think the Government has a big part of this massive exposure because they own GM.

Mike97gt · Mar 15, 2010

SaleenGT2001 said:
i'd still buy a toyota. these people bitching about the gas getting stuck are idiots. turn the car off or hit the brakes!!

brakes can't stop a car at WOT.. I saw first hand a explorer with the throttle stuck at WOT and one of our techs flooring the brakes and the truck kept accelerating through the brakes. the best way to handle it in put the car in neutral and pull over..

sneaky98gt · Mar 15, 2010

Shiroelex said:
Neutral is an option. Shutting it off is an option.

Yes, but this:

I was told that the throttle issue has to do with the fly-by-wire system.

is still the problem. I've read that the transmissions, and even ignition systems (push start kind of stuff), in some of these cars are fly by wire. In this case, under heavy acceleration, the car's computer wouldn't let the car shift out of gear, and a similar safety switch wouldn't let the car be shut off.

I don't care what car maker it is, that is dumb, and I will not be buying a car that I know has that kind of stuff.

I've also read that Toyota has yet to duplicate the gas pedal issue under testing conditions. So how exactly do they know that all these recalls they have issued have fixed the problem?

fastgtfairlane said:
it also goes on to mention how the 2007 v6 camry will stop with the gas pedal floored in a shorter distance than a roush mustang without the gas pedal.

fastgtfairlane said:
Honda, GM, Subaru, Ford have all had a gas pedal recall but didnt make the Press.

I can't speak for Honda, GM, or Subaru, but Ford's gas pedal recall didn't have anything to do with it sticking. It had to do with a sensor that didn't accurately tell the computer when the accelerator was initially being pressed down. This sometimes caused the vehicle to jump slightly when moving from a stop. My uncle had a 7.3 Stroke that had this recall; it was hardly a problem. Nothing more than a slight inconvenience. It never caused anyone bodily injury or death; Toyota's has. That's why Toyota has made the press and Ford didn't.

D-BOI · Mar 15, 2010

fastgtfairlane said:
I think the Government has a big part of this massive exposure because they own GM.

So what if they do, its a game and they are playing it well. I love my government and ill support them to hell and back before i back some foreign car company.

Ateup · Mar 16, 2010

peepeeskillz said:
the toyotas are built in the US, but by people getting paid slave wages compared to people working for GM and ford

100% false.

SonicGT5448 · Mar 16, 2010

fastgtfairlane said:
Toyota Hybrid Horror Hoax - Forbes.com

This is an article about a guy with a runaway prius. it also goes on to mention how the 2007 v6 camry will stop with the gas pedal floored in a shorter distance than a roush mustang without the gas pedal. hmm very interesting. this is coming out to be driver error NOT toyota.

I would put a toyota vehicles quality up against ANY vehicle on the road for safety and quality.

You mis-read the article. Both vehicles were stopped while at WOT. The point wasn't how well the Toyota stopped, but that even with 540 horsepower (as in the Roush) you can still bring the vehicle to a stop while at WOT.

I do feel badly for the families of those involved in any related accidents. Any time someone is taken from their family suddenly it is terrible. I also believe that as with many media stories, much of the population does automatically assume that they are involved even when such assumptions are un-warranted.

40oz · Mar 16, 2010

Dustys'99 said:
All the car companies have had their share of bad press, recalls, defects, etc. It's just Toyotas turn for a while. Next month it will be something else, at some other companies expense....God be with the families affected by this issue.

^ This. Getting all testy because it's Toyota on the stand today is silly. If you sell that many vehicles world-wide, you are gonna see problems on this scale.

I had the engine in a Toyota Celica completely fail on me when the oil pump died while I was driving. My roomate a few years ago had a similar issue with his Camry. Both clean, well-maintained cars.

Toyota has gotten alot of mileage out of "reliability ratings" from the press. But magazine reliability simply means "cheaper to fix over time," it has nothing to do with frequency of breakdown. So you could have Car A that needed a single repair costing $3000 in five years, and Car B needed 5 repairs totalling $2800 in the same period. Car B gets an award for "reliability."

The severity of the issue is irrelevant for magazine ratings purposes. So even if the issue with Car A was a failed A/C compressor while Car B suffered from repeated failure of an ignition module or starter motor, Car B still brags about "better reliability than Car B." And the ignorant public and press talk it up without a clue as to what the data really shows.

Now I don't know about anyone else, but this definition of "reliability" seems way off to me. And in my experience, I've had more issues with Honda and Toyota cars than domestic models with far more mileage. I'm not surprised Toyota finally got nailed for cost-cutting.

04DarkShadowGT · Mar 16, 2010

fastgtfairlane said:
I have been a Toyota employee for almost 2 years now. I am in sales. Please, keep the Toyota press coming, major sales boost for us. 44 new and used delivered Saturday and 17 new and used delivered Sunday!! Keep it up.

On a serious note, the truth of the recall and all of the gas pedal complaints is about to come out. My GM has been talking with a LA Times reporter about the runaway Prius incidents.

Funny and interesting facts here for all of you diehard US car people. The Camry is the MOST AMERICAN MADE CAR IN THE COUNTRY. Look it up if you dont believe it. GMs are built in Mexico.

Look at these links for interesting facts about the gas pedal recalls and proof that it is a hoax.

Toyota Hybrid Horror Hoax - Forbes.com

This is an article about a guy with a runaway prius. it also goes on to mention how the 2007 v6 camry will stop with the gas pedal floored in a shorter distance than a roush mustang without the gas pedal. hmm very interesting. this is coming out to be driver error NOT toyota.

This is an article about how a video made deplicting a stuck throttle cable on a avalon was staged.

The Mechanics of ABC News' Unintended Toyota Acceleration Hoax - Toyota Recall - Jalopnik

I would put a toyota vehicles quality up against ANY vehicle on the road for safety and quality.

Trust me Toyota does not want this press to keep coming, this is an instance of all press is not good press. The sales numbers of all the car companies was released last week for last month and Toyota was the only one who dropped in sales and Ford was up like 30% or something crazy, the average was up 13%, and Toyota was down like 9%.

Long term Toyota will be fine, everyone has recalls. But its nice that people actually can see behind the Toyota hype machine that been around the past decade. Their cars are no better than the new domestic models and this helps people realize that. If this is what it took to get people back giving Ford and Chevy a shot then great.

Dragstr05 · Mar 16, 2010

04DarkShadowGT said:
Trust me Toyota does not want this press to keep coming, this is an instance of all press is not good press. The sales numbers of all the car companies was released last week for last month and Toyota was the only one who dropped in sales and Ford was up like 30% or something crazy, the average was up 13%, and Toyota was down like 9%.

Long term Toyota will be fine, everyone has recalls. But its nice that people actually can see behind the Toyota hype machine that been around the past decade. Their cars are no better than the new domestic models and this helps people realize that. If this is what it took to get people back giving Ford and Chevy a shot then great.

Some dealer sales might very well be up due to the 0% financing; which toyota as far as I know rarely ever does. Never had to.

IMO honda/toyota does have quite a major hype behind them. The unrealistic expectation that they never break is false. I'm a loyal tech and I say this. I can however attest to a more reliable vehicle in most cases. Alot of the guys in my shop have worked in independent shops and domestic dealers and I assure you they will all say the same thing. Toyota does build a better car. Not the best. In the grand scheme of things ALL cars are junk. Some are just better junk.

This thread has really gotten way out of hand. It's turning into an import vs domestic debate which it is not. I'm not defending toyota for a FAULTY product (gas pedals); which by the way was manufactured by an american company. They have gotten burned pretty bad but it is what it is. The point was to share the sheer ignorance many people have. There is no reason for the 4 floor mats this customer had in their camry, and it was even more stupid on their part considering the recalls.

peepeeskillz · Mar 16, 2010

Ateup said:
100% false.

lol how much do toyota employes get paid? like 10 dollars an hour?

when my grandpa retired from GM 20 years ago he was making almost 30 dollars an hour

and toyota employees arent even full time, which means they have no benefits

Ateup · Mar 16, 2010

peepeeskillz said:
lol how much do toyota employes get paid? like 10 dollars an hour?

when my grandpa retired from GM 20 years ago he was making almost 30 dollars an hour

and toyota employees arent even full time, which means they have no benefits

You really should stop replying in this thread. You have no idea what you are talking about.

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