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95BlueStallion

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How often do you have to charge the thing??? I bought a red top back in September. I got it home charged it over night, and it worked great until I pulled it out of the car for winter storage indoors. Pulled it out of the car at the end of October, and when I reinstalled for a rare nice January day it was dead as can be. I figure whatever, 2 1/2 months without a charge. Give it a good 24 hour charge, car starts up and I drive it twice and put it back inside. Come March it was dead again, so I charge it another 24 hours and put it in the car. Go to start the car a couple weeks ago and its dead again. I mean, I know Im going a month or so at a time without giving it a charge, but a $160 battery only lasts a damn month in 60-70 degree weather? **** that, my Grandpa's old classic cars sit for more than a month between uses, and start right up every time on $40 Walmart batteries. Advanced Auto said it tested fine, but "could use a good charge over night." If it dies one more time in the next month Im chuckin it through their front window. End rant.
 

Adam95GT

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Take it back demand a new one. Ive heard this story way too many times.
 

95riosnake

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I had a red top...I now have a motorcraft again. I had so many problems with that stupid thing. One day last summer I had to jump the car 4 times in 5 hours...that was it for me. It's now a lump of dust under my work bench.

You'll find many people have problems with Optimas. I think they work decent on cars that are driven regularly, but once they are let die a few times they're never going to be the same.
 

S&B

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i killed about 5 of these and I stopped buying them, they are very good if you keep them charged all the time and use them, if they sit, they suck
 

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Good to know. I want to go with a gel-type battery for my 67, and was thinking Optima, but this kind of feedback will cause me to look more.
 

Adam95GT

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Husky44 said:
Good to know. I want to go with a gel-type battery for my 67, and was thinking Optima, but this kind of feedback will cause me to look more.
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Odyssey
 

Killercanary

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I will never own another optima. I just replaced mine with a motocraft one like Dan did. I have also had the odyssey batteries and they too have failed like the optimas from not being run enough I guess. My Z06 has a red top and I'm just waiting for the day when it kicks the bucket. The optimas are heavy as hell too.
 
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Hi Nick, I'm sorry to hear about the problems you've been having with your battery and I'd like to help. Do you recall the voltage of your battery when you put it into storage in October and what it was when you re-installed it in January or the voltage of the battery now? If you can fully-charge (approximately 12.6-12.8 volts) and disconnect your RedTop from your vehicle, it should be able to hold close to that voltage for 12-24 hours. If it can hold voltage when disconnected from your vehicle, but drops voltage when connected, you may have a parasitic draw that is discharging your battery.

One of the reasons your grandpa's old classic cars may not discharge batteries, is because they are probably fairly simple from an electrical standpoint. Newer vehicles tend to have higher parasitic draws and will discharge any battery at a faster rate than a vehicle from the 50s or 60s.

Dan, anytime your battery is deeply-discharged to the point where it needs to be jump-started, it is a good idea to fully-charge the battery with a battery charger as soon as possible. Most alternators are designed to maintain batteries, not recharge deeply-discharged batteries. Asking an alternator to perform that task can lead to a series of dead batteries and jump-starts, until either your battery or alternator fails. Add an underdrive pulley to the mix and this problem can get worse in a hurry.

You are correct that vehicles that see regular use tend to have fewer battery-related issues, regardless of brand. Proper voltage maintenance is the key to long battery life, regardless of brand. When any battery is discharged below 12.4 volts and allowed to sit in that state, sulfation will begin to diminish both capacity and lifespan. That makes a quality battery tender or maintainer an excellent investment for any vehicle that doesn't see regular use. Even though you've tucked that RedTop underneath your workbench, it may be worth charging and checking, to see if it still has some life left in it. I know more than a few people (myself included), who are driving around everyday with “dead” Optima batteries under the hood.

Many of the “dead” batteries returned to us now are just deeply-discharged and work fine, when properly-recharged. Unfortunately, many battery chargers will not recognize or charge any battery that has been discharged below a minimum voltage threshold (usually around 10.5 volts). This is a charger-specific issue and not unique to Optima. In fact, other manufacturers have dealt with this issue by simply voiding the warranty on batteries discharged below a specific voltage level. We haven't done that, but we did create this YouTube video, which explains how to recover these batteries.

Since Husky44 mentioned the “g” word, I should also clarify that Optima batteries are not “gel” batteries, but absorbed glass mat (AGM) lead-acid batteries in a SpiralCell design. Gel batteries have very specific charging requirements are not typically found in automotive applications. Additionally, charging a non-gel battery on a “gel” or even “gel/AGM” setting may not fully-charge the non-gel battery and could damage it over time. If anyone has any questions about our batteries, I'll do my best to answer them.

Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc.
 

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ok, Jim, I'm listening and willing to give Optima the benefit of the doubt. Lets see what you can do to convince these guys that your batteries work and are worth the money. My apologies for the "gel" word. I knew they weren't traditional lead acid, and that they could be used in unvented environments and assumed they were gel.
 

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Took my red top out after fighting with it, standard batteries from now on..
loved the way it looked in my red car but...........
 

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I've had a yellow top in my garage queen since 1999 and never disconnected it. I'd start the car once a month over the winter and drive it occasionally during spring thru fall. I've never had a problem with it until this spring. It finaly died, I jump started it with my wifes Escape and it's been fine since. I'd buy another one. Besides people make cool billet holders for them.
 

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The def. look great but maybe jim, you should print up that info or something of the sort and stick it on the battery. That way people like me would have known that and not tossed all my bats of the years
 

90lxcoupe

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im glad i came across this, i drained my optima with my line loc solenoid left on and will be getting a schumacher EGM charger tonight
 
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I've had an Optima red top in my 83 GT for 3 years and have never had an issue with it. I keep it on a tender about 6 months of the year though because the car is only driven about 100 miles a year.
 

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I think the recent Optimas have gone down hill a little bit. I just replaced the Optima in my Mercedes last year, and the one that was in there was app. 18 years old. It was actually in another Mercedes that got wrecked, the battery sat on the floor for 2 or 3 years, and then we put it in this Mercedes, and it fired right up. If your car is discharging after sitting, it's more likely a parasitic draw, not that battery. Either way, to fix the problem, you should keep a battery tender on it when it's in storage regardless of what kind of battery you have in there. Jim is right about the deep discharge too. Most battery testers and chargers do not work well with the AGM batteries. They will show a bad battery, when in reality it's just really low on juice. If you put any discharged AGM battery on a 2 amp trickle charge for about 30 hours, I guarantee it will come back to life.

Kurt
 

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Nice to hear Optima chime in here. I'll add my 2 cents worth. I went through 3 optima red-top batteries (all under warranty of course). The third battery went bad recently and my warranty is expired so I bought a different brand. I'll never buy another Optima battery again after my experience with them. I don't drive my car in the winter and before each winter I removed the red top battery and installed it on a maintenance charger. It would sit on the charger fine and then one day would trip the error light on my battery charger and when I'd bring it in to Batteries+ they said it didn't pass a load test. Like I said I'll never buy another one of those red top batteries. I've heard good things about the yellow tops, but I just think its silly to spend $300 on a battery when I don't have a booming stereo and have no need to run my accessories while the engine is off for prolonged periods of time.
 

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Cool to see user OptimaJim chiming in with a timely 1st post - registered in '09 heh.
 

Chythar

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I have red tops in both of my 'Stangs, only had trouble with one of them when I left it hooked up and didn't drive the car for several months. Afterwards, that battery would not hold a charge. Its replacement has been running quite well. When I put a car in storage, I unhook both positive and negative terminals. No problems firing it back up after 6 months or so.
 

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I have red tops in everything except the Wife's 67. The one in my 70 Dodge is over ten years old (bought Feb of 02) and the one in my hatch is over five years old (Jan 05). Been pretty fortunate with them so far. My Dad has lost a couple in the last year or two (he lets his stuff sit a lot, where as I start and heat all my rides at least every weekend or two). Ever since they started making them in Mexico the quality have suffered.
 

95BlueStallion

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OptimaJim, I have never tested the voltage this battery, so I cant give you those numbers. I'll admit I should have put a tender on it when it was out of the car for 2 1/2 months during winter, but I figure sitting indoors it could hold its charge ok. Its possible that my car has a draw, but that doesnt explain why my old battery held fine and I replaced it for the Optima purely for looks and because it was over 5 years old. I guess thats why people say, "If it aint broke, dont fix it." This wasnt the first winter Ive stored my car, but this is my first battery that Ive ever had to charge so many times due to lack of use. I'll give it another go, but if it dies another time within a month of no use then I will have made up my mind about the lack of longevity of these batteries.

Thanks to everyone for the responses. I apologize for starting a thread and then bailing. My little boy got grumpy and needed my attention last night.
 
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