Pennywise2
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+1,000,000When I said "bury it's head," I meant performance wise. What car, since the Celica All Trac (89) and Supra (98) have been a performance car? Answer: NONE.
Toyota went the route of designing simple, mundane, low performing vehicles since then. I'm NOT talking about quality mind you, that's NEVER a question with a Toyota. Change the oil and it'll run god damn forever. I am talking about performance. Every other Japanese manufacturer has gone the route of performance without sacrificing quality.
Nissan's motto was having the highest horsepower in every class of vehicle they sell, and they've pretty much kept to that motto. The mid sized Altima, full sized Maxima, Xterra, Frontier, Titan, 350z. They have the most or top 3 amount of HP in every catagory.
Honda is finally getting around back to performance with the new Civic Si's. They kinda dropped the ball for a while.
Who the hell, other than you, is talking about sales. I could give a damn about sales. The Mustang V6 outsells the GT, but we all aren't rushing out to buy one now, are we?
And the Supra, all I can say is "It's about time they got their head out of their asses," but it's pretty much priced out of most people's range at over 50k.
Scion. Are you joking me? What car in the Scion line is a performance car? IMO, every car in the Scion line is a CHICK car. Perfect for young adult women....low HP so they won't kill themselves and stylish enough that they can customize to their liking. You wouldn't catch me DEAD in an XB. I'd rather walk.
With Lexus, only the IS series is a "peformance" car, and only the upcoming V8 and maybe the IS350.
It is. Toyota's performance has simply sucked since those two cars ended production. End of story.
I am open minded, probably one of the MOST open minded on this board. The Mustang isn't the "End all car" in the entire world. I like an import just as much as you do, it's just that I don't drive one. I'd love a 98 single turbo Supra, or an RB 240, but I can't use them for work. I'd love an STi or an Evo as they are light years beyond a Mustang, but I can't use them for work.
My only comment was that Toyota's performance sucked, and that they buried their (peformance) heads in the mud for many years. My statement is simply the truth, whether you like it or not, and if you are a logical person, you can't disagree with me. Only now is Toyota starting to come around when sales of certain model vehicles took a crap (Celica, for example) and they finally noticed that their cars were left in the dust.
I couldn't agree more.
You argue with San you get the horns.
None of Toyotas' vehicles are performance cars even the MR2 sucks
as far as performance go's.
The only real "performance"car Lexus makes is the IS250 and IS350.
Don't get me started with the STI vs. EVO because Subaru wins every time.