Do you think the internals on the 4.0 are weaker than the 3.8? Some guy twin turbo'ed his 3.8 with completely stock internals and is running high 10's low 11's (i promise thats more than 300rwhp, i think its a tad more than 500)
NJstangpilot said:Chris,
I, too, am no expert on the pros and cons of engine induction, which is why I am posing these questions. However, I believe I read somewhere that a modest 6 psi or so of boost will not harm most engines. The head gasket may need to be swapped for a tougher version, but I doubt the rods/crank/pistons will require this for such a low boost. Granted, if you start shoving 10+ psi down the manifold, you will probably need to beef up the internals, but 6-7 should be OK for the stock components.
I know turbos are notoriously unreliable (15,000+ rpm at exhaust manifold temps will do that...) but superchargers tend to be more reliable. Unfortunately, many of the centrifugal types suffer the same lag as the turbos but w/o the high rpm performance. The roots and screw types tend to be very expensive and often quite large.
Lastly, I don't think the internals will need to be upgraded on the path to 300 N/A HP from this engine. The block is iron and I believe the internals could handle 300 crank HP w/o any problems. I *think*. 300 rwhp is another story...that might require stronger bits.
fazm83 said:Do you think the internals on the 4.0 are weaker than the 3.8? Some guy twin turbo'ed his 3.8 with completely stock internals and is running high 10's low 11's (i promise thats more than 300rwhp, i think its a tad more than 500)
fazm83 said:I read about this like 5 months back it seems, but i stopped checking because i wasnt seeing any progress in it. The only bad part about this is you would have to buy new heads, no core, no P&P just the cost of reman'ed heads and a core, which could be quite expensive. (ive seen 4v cobra heads go new for $1700 each, and $700 reman)
fazm83 said:I would have, except i felt like it would never happen, just lots of talk and trials. If they actually do get this setup, then man... thatd be awesome. I dont know bout 300rwhp from just the heads, but definately with the heads, headers, exhaust, intake, tune, and possibley injectors.
bro, thats stock 03 Cobra power your talking about. I DOUBT that ou are going to get that out of a N/A 6 banger without dumping SERIOUS cash into it. Either way, you'll never get that power N/A on pump gas out of a ford v-6.fazm83 said:wow, if you could get another 180hp at the wheels, thats like 360 total to the ground. That would be one crazy N/A 4.0 v6 lol. With that setup you should be capable of running low 12s all day long. (assuming that a gt with 360rwhp could run 12.4 easily because i have seen ones with 305rwhp run 12.7, and the v6 weighs couple hundred lbs less). Do this and then lose a hundred or two lbs by shedding your car of unnecessary weight, and you might be a 11.99 car on a perfect day.
fazm83 said:I've seen N/A 3.5 liters pushing 325rwhp on 100 octane gas, why cant a 4.0 push 360?
and yes, that would not be a cheap route to go at all, that was never claimed to be cheap. Ive seen 8 liter engines push 1000rwhp on 116 octane gas N/A (one was at the dragstrip last night)
also i never said 180 more to the wheels was for sure, realistically probably around 140-150 is max with N/A before boring or stroking the motor.