5spd GT said:
FastDriver - You need to know about the cars...not knowing their stats...you need real world data...I've drove all (except the 03/04 Cobra's...I want to though
)...I know what they can and can't do...
Don’t assume that you know me.
So a 5.0 weighs significantly less...show me a stock lx that weighs 2900lbs or less?
My stock hatch weighed 2966lbs without the spare tire, without the dogbone, and with 1/8 tank of gas.
When I was talking about 250-260rwhp I was referring to the 96-98gt...its called a junkyard...alls you need to get is some pi heads, cams, and pi intake (maybe from a wrecked car) with some bolt-ons and exhaust...and you got it easily...go search around the 4.6 forums before making up stuff to your liking...
Where did I make anything up? I know what you were referring to and you’re still an idiot. Just because you can find 4.6 parts in a junkyard doesn’t make it easier to make that kind of power with a 4.6. You must think that there are no 5L parts in junkyards…
My 2000 GT weighed in at 3270lbs with what was in the sig...not quite your 3400 huh?
First, I think you’re leaving a couple of things out (like gas and spares etc…). Second, even still your GT weighed in more than 300 lbs heavier than the lightest foxes.
If I pulled up to you in my now gone 2000 GT...and knew your "mods"...I wouldn't even worry about you
So let me get this straight… If you pulled up to a car that I no longer have in a car that you no longer have, then you would not worry about me?
Great argument there, bud! I’m sure you win all of your internet races. I’m sorry, I only race at the track.
You have beat the drivers...not the car...sorry that is just the way it is...
I’ve beaten a lot of drivers in my time, and a lot have beat me, but I know the difference between out driving a guy and out powering him. On a straight highway where all you have to do in put the pedal down and keep in right gear, there isn’t much driving to it. If I can outrun a 99 GT 5 speed from a 55mph roll through 3rd gear (~115mph) by3-4 car lengths, it wasn’t my driving that won the race.
And about your times and times I claim...I'm comparing with "equal conditions"...on a nice day, with equal drivers a 99+ GT 5spd will own any stock 5.0...sorry...again that is just the way it is...go drive both and then tell me...with an unbias opinion...
Your problem is that you’ve driven the cars and so you think it makes you an expert on the subject. I don’t believe in butt-dyno power figures. Take the cars to the track and see how they run when you stack them up next to each other.
I know damned good and well that the average 99+ GT will beat the average 5 liter fox-body, but I also know that the fastest fox-bodies are quicker than you are giving them credit for.
My lx hatch weighs 3160 without me in it...
fully loaded, eh?
If you have seen 99+ Gt's run 98 mph "on good runs"...then that wasn't a good run...
See, I love this ****! You claim to know everything that there is to know about GT speeds and abilities, but claims like this just destroy your credibility. You claim that 99+ GTs trap 101 mph, but that there’s no way in hell they’ll trap 98mph on a good run. If you went out to the track consistently, you’d know that just the seasonal difference in temperature can cause a 3 mph difference in trap speeds. Elevation can cause an even more significant difference. You obviously don’t go out to the track enough to know about this phenomenon, and they must not talk about it in the magazines that you read.
That said, even under good track and weather conditions, 99+ GTs do not all trap your claimed 101 mph. In fact, the majority do not. Most of what I see trap in the 99-101 mph range. I’ve also seen a couple trap over 102, FWIW.
I'm going to sum it up for you...GO BACK TO THE TRACK...
Of course I will! Now you should GO BACK TO YOUR MAGAZINE.
The 5.0 can never lose huh?...Is bigger better?...
What is this crap? You can’t win an argument by putting words in my mouth.
Two words: Reading Accuracy...or better yet Track Accuracy
Allow me to expound upon the reason that I want you to read more accurately. Remember saying this:
FastDriver - So you said the fastest stock 5.0 to ever run was a 13.8 and then you said the average 5spd 96-98 Gt runs mid 14's...
your going to have to be more consistent...
But wait! I never said the fastest stock 5.0 to ever run was a 13.8, because the fastest stock 5.0 was the 93 Cobra, which certainly could do better than a 13.8. The factory stripped coupes were certainly capable of 13.8s, though.
More importantly I never said that the average 5spd 96-98GT could run mid 14s – they don’t. I said the average 5.0 fox-body GT ran mid 14s.
I'm sorry to say Fast Driver but you have been the most inconsistent-"fibber
"...I have yet to see post back to back posts...get off of here troll...go back to ricedoutstangs.com
I was never inconsistent – prove me wrong. Also, define troll, because I don’t see how I could possibly fit into that category considering I’ve owned and worked on mustangs all my life, and I’ve been part of this message board community longer than you have been.
About me mentioning the condition of the vehicles (comparing the fox to the 96-98 Gt)...I was stating that is why the argument comes up about it being a close race because the conditoin of the vehicle is usually better (96-98) because of the newness...and therefore usually allows it to run better with it...straight of the showroom the 5.0 would win...but in the real world (where you seem to forget sometimes)...it is USUALLY a close race...again because the conditioning...
Yeah, I got it. This is still completely beside the point – a ridiculous argument.
I would not even worry about your former "stock" 5.0 again if me and you were to race...
Again, I’m sure you’re the fastest internet racer on your block.
Again I have owned both and driven many...there is a difference between internet statistics and your own little world where the 5.0 is god...comparing it to reality...
You’re not the only person whose owned and driven both. Stop assuming that you know me. My statistics didn’t come from the internet, or from a butt-dyno. They came from my experiences with them at the track.
In my world, the 5.0 isn’t god, but it’s still a hell of a lot more bang for the buck than any 4.6, especially the SOHC.
I think it’s pretty clear to even you that 96-98 GTs were not “very close (stock for stock)” with “...maybe a bit of an edge to the 5.0...”
Have a nice day!
Chris