Think roll racing is stupid? They've made it even more specific

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#1
now a "high performance" car only goes from 60-130 really quickly. Saw this on an import forum for UCSD (my college)

slcook54 said:
Thought I would post this up here. The Porsche and BMW boards have adopted a common method of measuring a car's performance by recording 60-130mph times, roughly 100-200kph. All the results are verified and confirmed using a V-box GPS performance system which records altitude change, time, mph, etc.

I put down a 12.62 which I'm really happy with, but hope to improve on in the near future after an incoming slew of mods.

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For more information, you can check out these threads.

Bimmerforums - http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=911116

6speedonline - http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55163

Here is a current Group Buy on the Vbox's if anyone is interested.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=907956
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#2
what's funny is you then need to drop $500 on a vbox to show all your internet buddies how quick your car is from 60-130.

this is what i posted (i registered, lol):

sounds like an even more of a limited test of "performance" than the already car specific roll racing.
what about cars like the STi w/ AWD and parastic loss?
Cars with low gears
Cars with torque as their focus
you could technically run 6" wide wheels (skinneys) in order to heighten "performance"

Performance is being used pretty lightly.
What if STi boards judged car performance based on 0-20mph or 60 foot times?
Or if domestic boards judged car performance based on how far someone can lift the front wheels off the ground.
It all seems useless to me
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#5
i honestly think its the only way for them to win, because, for some odd reason, every time ive gone up against an import guy, they always wanna go on a role, but NEVER from a dig, besides, an evo, sti.

and i think we all know on this forum, you have 3.73's/4.10's, you'll pretty much jump on anything from a dead stop.
 
#7
BennyBlown2v said:
Old news. I don't see what the problem is really. It's the same thing as magazines touting 0-60 times, and the ultimate goal of going 0-100-0 the fastest.
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guess it makes sense if traction's your problem, but not comparing it with other tests makes it look like you're just suiting the test to the type of car. Should be the other way around (i.e. building a drag car or auto x car).
 
#8
CobraRed_96_GT said:
guess it makes sense if traction's your problem, but not comparing it with other tests makes it look like you're just suiting the test to the type of car. Should be the other way around (i.e. building a drag car or auto x car).
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Yeah, I think that crappy viper tuner hennessy (and someone else too) holds a roll race event at their place now lol Also, Porsche has for years touted the midrange speed of their 911 Turbo's, listing 60-100 times. A lot of roll racing, in street racing, comes about because racing from a dig there is more time for a cop to spot you and pull you over, and also if you're on the highway it makes it way easier to potentially uhh run away ;) But yeah, overall street racing is :bs: Not that I've never done it, but still it's just not worth it.
 
#10
You guys need to understand that The BMW owners and Euro Guys are into the 60-130 times because thats the purpose of euor cars. German cars (BMWs, Benz, Porsche) are all designed for driving on the autobahn.... 0-60 on the Autobahn useless.... but 60-130 is used the most and needed.

..... Southern California is also the same way..... being able to go 60-130 is a great because most of the driving is freeway where the "real" CA speed limit is 85MPH
 
#14
CobraRed_96_GT said:
racing IS measuring car performance, should be driver skill mixed in there, but roll racing tries to eliminate this
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Racing is Different than measuring a cars performance. This is being more accurate with Truthful numbers with GPS. This is all Measuring the Car performance. The only true way to measure the cars performance is to eliminate the Driver all together because Humans are where all the Errors happen. They are just trying to measure the cars performance and not the Drivers Performance.

I kinda wanna know how fast a car is, not how fast a human reacts
 
#15
SRT Handz said:
Racing is Different than measuring a cars performance. This is being more accurate with Truthful numbers with GPS. This is all Measuring the Car performance. The only true way to measure the cars performance is to eliminate the Driver all together because Humans are where all the Errors happen. They are just trying to measure the cars performance and not the Drivers Performance.

I kinda wanna know how fast a car is, not how fast a human reacts
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if i wanna know how fast someone's car is i'll look at a time slip or race them at the track. Cuz that's how fast THEIR car will go, unless you have KITT driving that's how fast it 's going to go.
Magazines test car performance cuz it's stock (usually) and people might consider buying it. I'm not going to buy some guys car, so knowing how fast it's capable of going doesn't mean much to me.
 
#16
Roll Racing is just another type of racing. different cars perform better in different aspects. Some guys want to be quick in th 1/4 mile and others top end. Now Considering most street driving is done between 0 and 70 MPH it seems unlogical to test 60 - 130. But I guess over there in europe on the autobahn they go balls to the walls. And anyone who spends 500 dollars on a Vbox is a DEE DEE DEE... Whatever floats your boat.
 
#17
All depends on what your car likes. People always try to race to give them the advantage. AWD guys usually like going from a DIG....then the RWD guys get their panties in a bunch and you hear all of the "real racers go from a stop" guys suggesting the RWD guy should try and go from a roll.
Then the same people if one of us is wanting to race a high powered SRT-4, they are all of a sudden back on the DIG ONLY band wagon.

Bottom line is people want to win. If you have a mustang with 700HP on street tires, and theres a 650HP AWD eagle Talon on 4 DRs thats wanting to run you....everyone here in that situation would want to run from a roll. Why? Because your not going to win given the situation and you want to make it the best for YOURSELF as you can.

No offence, but if you want to race from a stop ONLY....then IMO your no better off then those people that will ONLY roll race.
A REAL driver will race at any speed and is not afraid of a challenge.

If you will do only one or the other....your scared. GENERALLY if you will ONLY DIG race....you have GREAT traction and/or are low on HP. If you ONLY roll race, generally you get crappy traction and/or have alot of power.
 
#18
This is a big thing in Europe. My buddy's twin Gt30R turbo Porsche does it around 4.6seconds. But he does drag race it to allot, its in the 9s now. Last I heard, he was looking up upgrade to GT35Rs He was making around 800whp and more torque then you could image and down low too.
19.4 vs 20.5 psi graph:

View attachment 330500

2001 Porsche 996TT:
Garrett GT3076R's, RWD conversion, JIC-Cross coil-over, 14" Brembo BBK,
EVOMS custom rear axle, 18" BBS RS-GT's, and some other stuff...
830 rwhp/780 rwtq
Best E.T./MPH: 10.45/148
60-130: 4.9 seconds
 
#19
hotmustang331 said:
All depends on what your car likes. People always try to race to give them the advantage. AWD guys usually like going from a DIG....then the RWD guys get their panties in a bunch and you hear all of the "real racers go from a stop" guys suggesting the RWD guy should try and go from a roll.
Then the same people if one of us is wanting to race a high powered SRT-4, they are all of a sudden back on the DIG ONLY band wagon.

Bottom line is people want to win. If you have a mustang with 700HP on street tires, and theres a 650HP AWD eagle Talon on 4 DRs thats wanting to run you....everyone here in that situation would want to run from a roll. Why? Because your not going to win given the situation and you want to make it the best for YOURSELF as you can.

No offence, but if you want to race from a stop ONLY....then IMO your no better off then those people that will ONLY roll race.
A REAL driver will race at any speed and is not afraid of a challenge.

If you will do only one or the other....your scared. GENERALLY if you will ONLY DIG race....you have GREAT traction and/or are low on HP. If you ONLY roll race, generally you get crappy traction and/or have alot of power.
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I don't do any method ONLY, i just do what's allowed at the track which is from a dig. When they have a roll racing track i'd visit it as well. At least a launch factors in traction, low end, suspension set-up, driver skill, and top end. 60-130 is testing something so specific i'm arguing that it's not saying much, and tailored to the car.
1/4's and auto X and open track is not tailored to the mustang or any car. So if any did well then that shows performance - but me saying my car is "high performance" because I can lay down 20 yards of rubber with my high stall TC doesn't mean much. Since i just chose the test that best suited me.
 
#20
So heres the question, whats harder roll racing or from a dig. My mom can drive a car from a roll not to much skill in roll racing required. Does NHRA have roll racing, most people ask how much HP you got or what you run in a 1/4 mile. What would a roll racer say "well i can go from 65 to 150 in 10 seconds" Look at the olympics is there any jog racing no its from a dead stop. From a dig has every factor taking into effect to reveal the faster car and best driver. Driver skill, traction control, and hitting gears perfectly. And many other factors not just 123 honk and nail it then shift to 4th gear then race over.

The person who invinted roll racing just never won a real race. So he made something up that best suited his car.............. hence SUPRA OWNERS!!!..
 
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