It's true, our cars are heavy!

Pokageek

Pokageek

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#1
Well I looked it up on-line in several places and the verts were quoted at 3450#. Now I have lightened mine by roughly 200# and it weighs 3700# on the dyno! :eek: I was just told today that they weigh 3750# not 3450# from factory! :eek: I remember KC saying his weighed something like 3700 after lightening it at one point but I thought that was a bad scale or something...not so. :nono:

I of course have the heavier 351 block but I pulled the air-bags, cats, x-brace, vert top motor, alum heads, dogbone, 25# fender weight, fiberglass hood, and I have subframes. Now I am glad I 50# weigh less than stock but sheesh! :shock:

So what about these other cars like the new stangs for example? What do they weigh? If they are quoted at 3800# for example, then does that mean they really weigh 300# more like our cars?? :shrug:

Here it is, its says 3450# WRONG!
1994 Ford Mustang specs, auto safety at Edmunds

Heres an 03' Cobra VERT at 3750..so what does it really weigh? 4050??
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2003/ford/mustang/100299896/specs.html
 
#3
Ok, so verts are a little heavy. That's why you got those 414 cubic inches of Ford fury to motivate that heavy beast to move, right?

So is this +300 lbs thing just for verts or the hardtops too like mine?
 
#4
A stock fully-optioned GT coupe with a T5 weighs 3400lb with a full tank of gas. An AODE version weighs 20lb more. I've lightened mine by more than 90lb so it's down to about 3330lb. Compare that to an S197 GT coupe which weighs in at 3510lb.
 
#5
Im used to modifying 3800 pound Lincoln mark 7's (Put my 383 in one). With that said, My 95 convertible is nowhere in the same weight class. After removing the complete a/c & smog system, Bumper & Axle weights and moving the battery to the trunk and adding a fiberglass hood the car feels damn near 50/50 weight. Wish i could weigh it to find out if its 50/50 But my 383 has aluminum heads & intake. Not sure how much that weighs compared to the 302 with iron heads. But the whole car shouldn't weigh over 3500 even for a convertible.

Maybe the guy weighed his car with him in it? :shrug:
 
#6
Your car if vert weighs 3750# (stick)

I will try to pull up KillerCanary's weight thread. I didn't believe it until I had mine weighed. Has anyone weighed their GT OR a cobra on a scale? How does it compare to those site links? :scratch:

As to the 414 comment, yep it moves it out good lol. :SNSign:

Now I am not real concerned. I love the car! But I was suprised. :eek:
Here's a list of what I pulled (I am going from pauls thread on some of these weights bc he's prolly accurate):

1. the X cross brace 20#
2. vert top motor and hardware 15#
3. A/C 40#+
4. 4 cat h-pipe (that was a good 40#)
5. alum heads and intake 50#
6. Fiberglass hood 15#
7. Fender weight 25#
8. Dogbone 7.5#
9. Air bags 25#
10. Alum DS 10#
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240# so...
3750#-240# = 3510# :nice:

Added weight now:
+ 351 stroker 100#?
+ subframes 20#?
+ beefier swaybar 10#?
xtra fluids for bigger eng 10#?
+ cobra front bumper and brakes.. #?
I bet the gforce is heavier too...(any beefed trans is) #?
+ after market bullets? (maybe 4-5# each) so..20#
+ I forgot, I have leather, cruise, power everything #?
+ Oh, yeah.. Torque box welds prolly 15#
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3700# sounds about right after all that. :eek:

Now..after-market k-member I understand to be 100# plus lighter :nice:
Jack and tire is 35# but I am a streeter so it stays. :nono:
I don't see anything else coming off wha tI consider a street car tho. :shrug:
If I hadn't done any weight reduction it would be close to 4000# :eek:
 
#9
These vehicle weights are highly exaggerated, very often.

Here are some cars that I have weighed on certified scales for a local dirt track racing organization.

Weighed my BONE STOCK '93 Notch (AOD) with a full tank - 3,184 lbs.

Weighed my '93 Hatch (5spd), with aluminum heads, but subframes, half a tank - 3,160 lbs.

Weighed a stock 94 5spd 5.0L BONE STOCK with full tank - 3,380 lbs.

Weighed a 00 GT, fully loaded (mach 460, chrome wheels, etc.) , 5spd with half a tank - 3,337 lbs.

A 05+ GT weighs between 3450-3500 lbs with a 5spd, loaded coupe.

It is frustrating to see people say that 03-04 Cobra's and 05-06 GT's weigh 4,000 lbs without a driver.
 
#10
Pokageek said:
I was told Dart blocks 150# more but Pauls may weigh less:
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Not hardly, a DART block (over the stock block weight) is roughly 40-60 lbs more, depending on which block (sportsman or eagle).

Many times, people forget that the part being removed has weight to.

We see this a lot with the GT and LX comparisons in the foxbodies. They compare the bumpers and ground effects, but they forget that the LX has bumpers too. :)
 
#11
5spd GT said:
Not hardly, a DART block (over the stock block weight) is roughly 40-60 lbs more, depending on which block (sportsman or eagle).

Many times, people forget that the part being removed has weight to.

We see this a lot with the GT and LX comparisons in the foxbodies. They compare the bumpers and ground effects, but they forget that the LX has bumpers too. :)
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Thanks, I was wondering the disparity.

"A 05+ GT weighs between 3450-3500 lbs with a 5spd, loaded coupe."

Not questioning you but where did you get those figures? The only ones I believe now are people that in person weighed them. Especially after my experience. I would have never thought my car weighed that much.
 
#12
#15
There's no way an SN95 vert weighs anywhere close to 3,750lbs. My MN12 Cougar weighed about that stock and its twice the car that the Fox4 is.....and keep in mind, my car runs a much heavier IRS out back as well.

The same goes for the '03-'04 Cobra weighing over 4,000lbs I realize the 4V heads and T56/IRS drive train add some weight to the package, but not 500lbs. For comparison sake, my car clocked in at just under 3,900 after all of my additions, but that includes a heavy duty 3-piece aluminum manifold and inlet (not plastic like stock), solid steel 4” intake pipe, Eaton supercharger, intercooler with heavy duty heat exchanger, hoses, pumps and 3-galon coolant reservoir filled with coolant and a couple of 10” sub woofers and decent sized amps for good measure. And I’ll wager my 4R70W with converter still weighs more than the T56.

....and again, keep in mind, my car weighed just about as much as the ’03 Cobra Coupe did when it was in stock trim!
 
#16
Gearbanger 101 said:
There's no way an SN95 vert weighs anywhere close to 3,750lbs. My MN12 Cougar weighed about that stock and its twice the car that the Fox4 is.....and keep in mind, my car runs a much heavier IRS out back as well.

The same goes for the '03-'04 Cobra weighing over 4,000lbs I realize the 4V heads and T56/IRS drive train add some weight to the package, but not 500lbs. For comparison sake, my car clocked in at just under 3,900 after all of my additions, but that includes a heavy duty 3-piece aluminum manifold and inlet (not plastic like stock), solid steel 4” intake pipe, Eaton supercharger, intercooler with heavy duty heat exchanger, hoses, pumps and 3-galon coolant reservoir filled with coolant and a couple of 10” sub woofers and decent sized amps for good measure. And I’ll wager my 4R70W with converter still weighs more than the T56.

....and again, keep in mind, my car weighed just about as much as the ’03 Cobra Coupe did when it was in stock trim!
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A 03' cobra coupe weighs 3400-3500# IIRC but regardless of what that weighs, you have a totally different car. I do not know anyone who has weighed a cougar stock but if you are correct then you have added 400-500# to your car and that would sound right on the money to me. But I am not arguing that as I know nothing about Cougars. :shrug:

I am totally un-bias and like you would rather say my car is lighter but I simply look for the correct answer. We can wish for whatever we want but:

1. The scales don't lie and there's several well respected members and techs confirming what the cars weigh.
2. If you have evidence otherwise to back your claim on a 94/95 mustang vert, then please produce it. I welcome it. :)
3. Who said the 03' Cobra weighed over 4000#? :shrug:

p.s. CUrb weight is WITHOUT any factory add-ons and that's what a lot of these web sites like Edmunds report which throws things off I think. Anyone else?
 
#17
Pokageek said:
A 03' cobra coupe weighs 3400-3500# IIRC but regardless of what that weighs, you have a totally different car. I do not know anyone who has weighed a cougar stock but if you are correct then you have added 400-500# to your car and that would sound right on the money to me. But I am not arguing that as I know nothing about Cougars. :shrug:

I am totally un-bias and like you would rather say my car is lighter but I simply look for the correct answer. We can wish for whatever we want but:

1. The scales don't lie and there's several well respected members and techs confirming what the cars weigh.
2. If you have evidence otherwise to back your claim on a 94/95 mustang vert, then please produce it. I welcome it. :)
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Well....lets confirm something first. The main differences between the early SN95 and the New Edge are engine and exterior sheet metal, no?

We also know that the 302 OHV is the lighter engine of the two when compared to the 4.6L SOHC, do we not?

Therefore, its safe to say that an New Edge SN95 vert is going to be the heavier of the two cars when compared to a comparable OHV powered SN95 vert.

Now, I can't remember what he clocked in at (since quite frankly I never, ever thought I would have to defend this position) but my friend and I both weighed our cars on the way to the track one time at the local dump and I clearly had a huge weight disadvantage.....we're talking 400+lbs. I do remember mine clocked in somewhere in the high-3800lb range (give or take 20lbs).

Keep in mind, he also had an aftermarket body kit on his car, as well as that stupid looking swan wing door conversion...which I'm sure there is no doubt a huge weight penalty for.

That I'm afraid is all the proof I'm able to offer you at this time. If the topic comes up again in the spring, I know a buddy with a '95 Vert I could talk into heading over to the scales with me, but alas....March in Ontario Canada may as well be the middle of winter in most of the Mid Western and Northern US. :(


Pokageek said:
3. Who said the 03' Cobra weighed over 4000#? :shrug:
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I based my answer on your statement here...
Heres an 03' Cobra at 3750..so what does it really weigh? 4050??
2003 Ford Mustang specs, auto safety at Edmunds
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#18
Gearbanger 101 said:
Well....lets confirm something first. The main differences between the early SN95 and the New Edge are engine and exterior sheet metal, no?

We also know that the 302 OHV is the lighter engine of the two when compared to the 4.6L SOHC, do we not?

Therefore, its safe to say that an New Edge SN95 vert is going to be the heavier of the two cars when compared to a comparable OHV powered SN95 vert.

Now, I can't remember what he clocked in at (since quite frankly I never, ever thought I would have to defend this position) but my friend and I both weighed our cars on the way to the track one time at the local dump and I clearly had a huge weight disadvantage.....we're talking 400+lbs. I do remember mine clocked in somewhere in the high-3800lb range (give or take 20lbs).

Keep in mind, he also had an aftermarket body kit on his car, as well as that stupid looking swan wing door conversion...which I'm sure there is no doubt a huge weight penalty for.

That I'm afraid is all the proof I'm able to offer you at this time. If the topic comes up again in the spring, I know a buddy with a '95 Vert I could talk into heading over to the scales with me, but alas....March in Ontario Canada may as well be the middle of winter in most of the Mid Western and Northern US. :(



I based my answer on your statement here...
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Ah Yes, that was a mist-type, that should have said "vert." :eek:

Edmunds is quoting "curb weight." That definition as far as I have researched basically means stripped. ALSO, that may depend on what OPTIONS the Cobra vert came with. If it came with none then it is the same weight stripped as it is loaded (plus or minus gas). If it came with 300# in options then there are some 03 cobras weighing in at 4050#.

Again, I can only speak for my body-style car mainly as it is the one I am researching. And I can only speak the factual numbers I know.

On my car? Edmunds states the car weighs 3450 curb or STRIPPED. ..add gas, options like leather, power this and that..a/c? (not sure what options)..and I can see a vert gaining 300#. Every little bit adds up. It would also fall right in line with what other verts like mine are weighing.


Ok here's the options (Not Standard) on my car:
17" rims with 245 size tires (I had them) 40#?
A/C 40-45#
Cruise and supporting components ?
Body moldings ?
remote keyless entry ?
illuminated entry ?
Leather Seats (leather over top of cloth basically) 25#?
Leather Steering wheel ?
Floor Mats ?
Cassette, CD, multi-cd, amplifier and supporting components..?
rear defroster and supporting components ?
ABS #?
Automatic #?
Lockup tq converter (part of trans but optional) #?
3.27's na
3.08's na
Block heater ?
4 drivers seat adjustments ?
15 gallons of gas weighs 95#
5 quarts of oil weighs 10#
2 gallons antifreeze? 20#

Adding what I KNOW - its 210# = 3680#. That's very close to my number and NOT including the ? marks that I dont know how much it weighs like an auto trans. Now I am not out to disagree with anyone, I am just attempting to get to the correct number. :) Thanks for any and all of your replies. :SNSign:
 
#20
revhead347 said:
I weighed in at 3380LBs. That's a loaded 95' GT with aluminum heads, a fiberglass hood, plus a nitrous system.

Kurt
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Thanks. Was that with you in it? How much gas? I guess heads subtracted 40-50#, fb hood ..15#?, nitrous adds 30# prolly. So that's roughly 60 or so # lighter. Do you have subframes? Aftermarket rims, etc..what is a steeda "g-track?"
 
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