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Hello y'all I recently had my 302 ho bored and installed new pistons, rods, crankshaft and this spring I am installing bbk ceramic coated shorty headers, edelbrock aluminum heads and a 75mm bbk throttle body, also installing a new edelbrock rpm performer 2 intake. I tuned it after the rebuild and after I got it to where I wanted it, it will not start on cold starts. By the way my car is one of the many or few built without a mass air flow sensor. I do not even know if this car is a California emissions car. The car ran a little rich before the rebuild due to the fact that the previous owner tore out the cat. convertors and installed an h pipe and also took the oxygen sensors and welded them into the pipe and snipped the leads off. I do know that the emissions/oxygen sensors could be one of the problems if not the main problem. Any kind of input from any mustang tech would be greatly appreciated.
I know there is a way to get around the emissions part of this car I have friends that have bought mustangs without convertors and oxygen sensors. Like I said any input would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Get the o2 sensors operational, that is your biggest problem
 

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Was planning on getting a new h pipe and putting new oxygen sensors in it and going from there, I was told by Jeg's that cars without mass air flow sensors do not like being hopped up performance wise. Is this true?
 

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Thanks for the info, which I had planned on replacing that stuff in the spring and I will check out your website for sure.
Any tips for me to help me with my project car? I am having a blast with this car been a mustang fan as far as I can remember.
I plan on pushing 450-500 horsepower when the car is all done. Hopefully more, lol.
 

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Your hp goals are lofty, and pretty much the only way you'll attain them without spending a fortune is to add boost. Then, your limiting factor is the week factory block.

Speed density is not as finicky as once believed to be. Read some of the stickies posted in the fox section regarding mods and you'll see some tried and true combinations. Keep asking questions and dont get discouraged!
 

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And, I wouldnt plan on doing any mods until you give her a complete going over, including new plugs, fuel filter, and running your diagnostic codes and fix all codes that appear
 

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What are your plans for the car? Hot Street, street/strip, pure strip, autocross, or road race?
Have a plan and then optimize the car for it; there is no such thing as one size fits all.


Truths about Speed Density and Mass Air
Speed Density uses Manifold vacuum (MAP), Throttle position (TPS) and RPM, & Air Temperature (ACT) to guess how much air the engine is pulling in. Then it uses all of them plus the O2 and ECT sensors to calculate the air/fuel mixture. It is dependent on steady manifold vacuum and minimal changes in airflow from the stock engine configuration to maintain the proper air/fuel ratio. Change the airflow or vacuum too much and the computer can't compensate for the changes, and does not run well. Forget about putting a supercharger, turbocharger or monster stroker crank in a Speed Density engine, because the stock computer tune won’t handle it. Every time you seriously change the airflow through the engine, you need a new custom burned chip to make the engine run at peak performance.

Mass Air uses a Mass Air Flow meter (MAF) to actually measure how much air is being pulled into the engine. The computer uses this information and inputs from the O2, TPS, ACT, ECT, RPM and Barometric Pressure (Baro) sensors to calculate the proper air/fuel ratio. It is very tolerant of changes in airflow and vacuum and tolerates wild cams, high flowing heads, and changes in displacement with minimal difficulties. Larger injectors can be used with an aftermarket calibrated MAF or a custom dyno tune. This makes it possible to use the stock computer with engine displacements from 302-408 cu in, and make many modifications without a custom dyno tune chip. Put a new intake manifold on your 331 stroker and the computer figures out how much more fuel to deliver without having to have a new chip burned to accommodate the extra airflow.


Fix the O2 sensors and then dump the codes.


Dump the codes: Codes may be present even if the Check Engine Light (CEL) isn't on.

Dumping the computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 26-July-2011. Added need to make sure the clutch is pressed when dumping codes.

Codes may be present even if the check engine light hasn’t come on, so be sure to check for them.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Post the codes you get and I will post 86-93 model 5.0 Mustang specific code definitions and fixes. I do not have a complete listing for 94-95 model 5.0 Mustangs at this time.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. On a manual transmission car, be sure to press the clutch to the floor.
Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.







If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems. This is crucial: the same wire that provides the ground to dump the codes provides signal ground for the TPS, EGR, ACT and Map/Baro sensors. If it fails, you will have poor performance, economy and driveablity problems

Some codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off, and clutch (if present) is pressed to the floor, and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Your 86-88 5.0 won't have a working Check Engine Light, so you'll need a test light.
See AutoZone Part Number: 25886 , $10




Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see www.midwayautosupply.com/Equus-Digital-Ford-Code-Reader/dp/B000EW0KHW Equus - Digital Ford Code Reader (3145It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $22-$36.
 

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You are going to want to get the oxygen sensors functional, and then run your codes and see what else is a problem. 1988 Mustangs do not have a functional check engine light, so you really don't know what problems you have without a random check of the codes.

Speed density is not as bad as it's made out to be online. Until you swap the camshaft, or add boost, it's perfectly livable. I've modded my '88 without changing to mass air with intake, TB, exhaust, pullies, timing, etc etc and it still idles smooth and has great drivability. Nothing wrong with it if you take care of the issues....like not having O2 sensors.
 
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