2011 5.0L power capacity

SpartaPerformance · Feb 21, 2010

I was at a performance & accessory trade show today, I was speaking to the FRPP guys and when I asked them if they've had or foresee any issues with the powder metal forged rods on the new 302 they said no! The FRPP tech's face went from joking laughing having a good time to a blank stone look when I asked the question, he said " With Mullaly if the quality is not there it doesn't come out". They've been working with Shelby on the GT-350, he also said they've melted one motor already so they're pretty sure of it's limits. There will be a whole load of FRPP available in time for the vehicle launch.

Marc S · Feb 22, 2010

I would not trust the rods with forced induction and 11 to 1 compression. Time will tell though, I could be wrong.

1slo5ohh · Feb 22, 2010

the high compression will be great for the guys who wanna spray it

053vstang · Mar 1, 2010

I just want to see what kinda power this engine will make with forced induction before it grenades? Not that it cant be done, but I think 11:1 is a little high for forced induction. And we all know the rods are suspect, even if the FRPP guys dont know, lol!

Cobra Jay · Mar 1, 2010

Marc S said:
I would not trust the rods with forced induction and 11 to 1 compression. Time will tell though, I could be wrong.

053vstang said:
I just want to see what kinda power this engine will make with forced induction before it grenades? Not that it cant be done, but I think 11:1 is a little high for forced induction. And we all know the rods are suspect, even if the FRPP guys dont know, lol!

Like SpartaPerformance said, The new Shelby GT350 5.0 comes with a Whipple.................................

Those rod will handle more than you think

Marc S · Mar 1, 2010

GT JAY said:
Like SpartaPerformance said, The new Shelby GT350 5.0 comes with a Whipple.................................

Those rod will handle more than you think

Actually, they will handle about as much as I know they will Jay.

I am sure they will take some boost without issue. However, I have been building blown alcohol/gas engines for 20+ years. I know from experience that 11:1 compression will only handle so much boost before parts breakage or detonation occurs. Ya I know, more efficient combustion chambers designs will allow more timing and cylinder pressure and modern electronics monitor functions in milliseconds. But you can't overcome physics. Even Shelby says the engines will have to have a very conservative tune and limited boost. He is expecting the flywheel HP to be between 500 and 550. If you convert rated HP to wrhp, 550 is about 467 at the ground. Any 3V with forced induction can make that.

I'm sure the engine will be great, I am not arguing that. I look forward to seeing how well they respond to mods. I wish Ford could have gotten past the 5.0 thing and build some real displacement though. The 3V has about the same HP per liter as the Camaro and the new 5.0 exceeds them both. However, if you put FI on a 2011 Mustang and you run into a 2011 Camaro with FI, the Mustang will not keep up. I just finished a 2010 Camaro with a Procharger, it made 561 rwhp on a mild tune.

I would be more excited if Ford would have sacrificed HP per liter and given us a 6.0 liter with about 9:1 compression and 425 HP and with rods/crank that would handle 15 lbs of boost so we all could enjoy 600rwhp.

Cobra Jay · Mar 2, 2010

I'm sure they'll handle 8-10#'s no problem

Most people who are buying them, aren't going to touch them at all anyway

bluestang347 · Mar 3, 2010

Marc S said:
Actually, they will handle about as much as I know they will Jay.

I am sure they will take some boost without issue. However, I have been building blown alcohol/gas engines for 20+ years. I know from experience that 11:1 compression will only handle so much boost before parts breakage or detonation occurs. Ya I know, more efficient combustion chambers designs will allow more timing and cylinder pressure and modern electronics monitor functions in milliseconds. But you can't overcome physics. Even Shelby says the engines will have to have a very conservative tune and limited boost. He is expecting the flywheel HP to be between 500 and 550. If you convert rated HP to wrhp, 550 is about 467 at the ground. Any 3V with forced induction can make that.

I'm sure the engine will be great, I am not arguing that. I look forward to seeing how well they respond to mods. I wish Ford could have gotten past the 5.0 thing and build some real displacement though. The 3V has about the same HP per liter as the Camaro and the new 5.0 exceeds them both. However, if you put FI on a 2011 Mustang and you run into a 2011 Camaro with FI, the Mustang will not keep up. I just finished a 2010 Camaro with a Procharger, it made 561 rwhp on a mild tune.

I would be more excited if Ford would have sacrificed HP per liter and given us a 6.0 liter with about 9:1 compression and 425 HP and with rods/crank that would handle 15 lbs of boost so we all could enjoy 600rwhp.

I 100% agree!

lamach1 · Mar 3, 2010

Marc S said:
Actually, they will handle about as much as I know they will Jay.

I am sure they will take some boost without issue. However, I have been building blown alcohol/gas engines for 20+ years. I know from experience that 11:1 compression will only handle so much boost before parts breakage or detonation occurs. Ya I know, more efficient combustion chambers designs will allow more timing and cylinder pressure and modern electronics monitor functions in milliseconds. But you can't overcome physics. Even Shelby says the engines will have to have a very conservative tune and limited boost. He is expecting the flywheel HP to be between 500 and 550. If you convert rated HP to wrhp, 550 is about 467 at the ground. Any 3V with forced induction can make that.

I'm sure the engine will be great, I am not arguing that. I look forward to seeing how well they respond to mods. I wish Ford could have gotten past the 5.0 thing and build some real displacement though. The 3V has about the same HP per liter as the Camaro and the new 5.0 exceeds them both. However, if you put FI on a 2011 Mustang and you run into a 2011 Camaro with FI, the Mustang will not keep up. I just finished a 2010 Camaro with a Procharger, it made 561 rwhp on a mild tune.

I would be more excited if Ford would have sacrificed HP per liter and given us a 6.0 liter with about 9:1 compression and 425 HP and with rods/crank that would handle 15 lbs of boost so we all could enjoy 600rwhp.

I agree, but I guess we have to go with what we got. Have you got any idea what it would cost to put forged pistons and rods in a new 5.0?

Marc S · Mar 3, 2010

It should cost about the same as the 4.6 to swap out the rod's, crank and pistons. I would guess the kits will be around $2,000.00.

Five Oh Brian · Mar 4, 2010

GT JAY said:
I'm sure they'll handle 8-10#'s no problem...

Please tell me you don't really believe that! 4-5 psi boost is pushing it with 11:1 compression in the factory short block. Put together a stout, forged bottom end, and then 8-10 psi boost might be okay, but not the factory short block.

Marc S · Mar 5, 2010

Five Oh Brian said:
Please tell me you don't really believe that! 4-5 psi boost is pushing it with 11:1 compression in the factory short block. Put together a stout, forged bottom end, and then 8-10 psi boost might be okay, but not the factory short block.

I agree with you 100% Brian, but I did not want to say it. Glad you did though.

John told me you have some new and improved ET's and dyno numbers. I was trying to catch up to you N/A. I guess I will have to throw the Procharger on mine before the tracks open.

mustangdave · Mar 8, 2010

I read an article from the engineer that helped design the engine and he said the rods were just strong enough. In other words, boost is a ticlking time bomb. The penny pinchers wouldn't go for stronger rods. A blower wouldn't be worth the expense since you have to keep the boost so low and a conservative tune. These are the first Mustangs in a long time that are not going to hold up well to engine mods.

scupking · Mar 8, 2010

It would be funny if the new V6 will hold more power then the V8.

castine917 · Mar 8, 2010

the new 5.0 looks to be less "modable" but it is coming from the factory at a higher starting point. we have been asking for more power stock for so long and they finally listened sorta. it would be really awesome if they did a high compression naturally aspirated and a low compression option.

ruffy · Mar 9, 2010

In the past people with the 4.6 were adding bolt ons, blowers, and others tricks of the trade and ending up with a car just as fast if not faster than a base GT 500. Perhaps Ford saw this and wanted to make the 5.0 "less modable" as Castine917 said as a way to discourage the practice, or they needed to do it that way to keep the fuel economy high and emissions low. God only knows what they did with the computer. Tuners might have their work cut out for them.

Cobra Jay · Oct 10, 2010

Less Modable

Someone better tell all these tuners that they better stop putting over 5 psi on their '11 5.0s

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kyle_99gt · Oct 14, 2010

anyone know much about evolution performance? Iv seen there latest vids and there running a SC 5.0 with 24 lbs of boost, did they do something extraordinary to make this happen? I mean if your gona spend the money on a sc you can get some stronger rods too.

1wildGT · Oct 15, 2010

kyle_99gt said:
anyone know much about evolution performance? Iv seen there latest vids and there running a SC 5.0 with 24 lbs of boost, did they do something extraordinary to make this happen? I mean if your gona spend the money on a sc you can get some stronger rods too.

They ran 8.89 @ 148 with these mods:

Mod List
L&M Race Engines Built 5.0L 4V - Oliver Billet Rods and Custom Diamond Pistons (L&M Engines)
Procharger F1C @ 24lbs of Boost (ProCharger Self-contained Superchargers and Intercooled Supercharging Systems)
Procharger Air to Water Intercooler (ProCharger Self-contained Superchargers and Intercooled Supercharging Systems)
Fore Precision Works F4 Fuel Regulator (Fore Precision Fuel System Components)
Aeromotive Return Fuel System (Aeromotive*|*Serious Fuel Systems)
American Racing 1 7/8 Longtube Headers (American Racing Headers)
Alky Control Water/Meth Injection (http://alkycontrol.com/)
Evolution Performance Fabricated Ford 9" Rear with Built On Anti-Rollbar (Evolution Performance - Mustang Performance Parts & Accessories)
Pro-Formance C4 Transmission (www.dynamicconverters.com)
Frank Lupo's Dynamic Converter (www.dynamicconverters.com)
Evolution Performance, Inc. 4" Aluminum Driveshaft (Evolution Performance - Mustang Performance Parts & Accessories)
15" Bogart Racing Wheels (Bogart Racing Wheels)
Mickey Thompson ET Drag Slicks (Mickey Thompson Performance Tires & Wheels)
N2MB Racing WOT Box 2-Step (www2)
Custom Tuned By Jon Lund (Lund Racing, LLC.)

unas2k5 · Oct 16, 2010

So basically if you want to SC your 5.0 you need an extra 2k for parts?

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