They can be. My BS3 setup cost $4k. Then again, I got all the bells and whistles, too.
Off this thread goes to 5.0 tuning.
Aftermarket ECU's are not anywhere near 4k.
You can get a complete big stuff setup for way under 2500 and Megasquirt 3 for 600.
Ill be going with megasquirt this summer.
i have a 1970 mustang but it has a blown motor. I have a spare motor but its out of a 1989 bronco. could i put that spare motor in with many problems occuring
Yes, it will run... but even the difference between 302 to 351 cubic inch introduces error into the tune.You can run the stock computer just fine.
It's done all the time without tuning equipment or programs.
a 351 based engine is really just a bigger 302.
John, moving the injector wires to correct the cam firing order issue isn't recommended... as it leaves the O2's correcting a couple of wrong injectors due to injectors being swapped between banks. (O2's are used to correct their own bank only)As far as tunning run the stock A9L computer and harness and use A SCT chip all will be good.Also when you order your cam get it to use the current 5.0 fireing order and once again all is good.I went threw this exact same thing when doing my 351 based motor! BUT if you use the old firing order you will need to repin the harness!So much easier to get the cam for the current 5.0 HO order.peace
ExactlyIt seems like getting a 408 to run well without a tune would seriously depend on using a really good "calibrated" MAF meter and correct injectors. Otherwise, you'll probably be SOL without tuning. Of course, there are lots of guys who FUBAR the whole MAF meter/injector thing on otherwise very mild 302s and they still don't run right without tuning.
For guys that already have the tuning gear (Moats/Tweecer, laptop, wideband, etc.) then what sense does it make to buy a 'calibrated' MAF? Absolutely NONE!John, you needed a chip because you made the mistake of using a lightning meter.
I don't see the point in that meter when you can simply buy the right calibrated meter for the job.
That meter has no business on a foxbody, i realize people use it, but i don't see how it's a good budget meter when they pay $100 for them, then need a $500+ dyno tune to run it.
Besides the fact, that the only reason they are available is because lightning guys replaced their meter with something better.
My opinion...To call anderson ford and get a PMAS (i'm told that they are the only ones with any left).
Or get a dbx from them.
Might as well do the matching power pipe while he's at it.
Amazing... in this single quote you have stated that you don't know the answer, you only know what some one else told you on the phone AND you then continue to criticize another for not 'knowing' the answer himself.I'm going by a phone call i made to someone that has been using calibrated mass air meter for over 20 years. Someone that has more tuning and mustang experience than this entire board combined.
Ignore it? It's hard to ignore bad advice. Then again, what the hell, it's not your money you are spending.
You seem to respond to posts that you don't actually know the answers to, case in point your first post in this thread.
If you don't know the correct answers, that's fine, just don't go in there and make one up though, something that you have done more than once.
Ok,Not really, how many guys here do you really see that own or run shops with a dyno, and do tuning? That answer is almost none.
About the only one i know of is Rick, who i happened to exchange conversation with from time to time, who also seems to be pretty smart and experienced.
Most others are just backyard mechanics, which there is nothing wrong with, but they know nothing about how to do tuning programs, especially on cars more than just their own.
Show me one instance where I said a 408w without a tune would NOT work...While it's no secret you think the world of computer tuning on a fox and i think it's pretty much worthless for the average person, the FACT still remains that the original poster asked if it was necessary and it's not.
It's been done for many years without it.
Again... I never said anything like that...I was under the impression the tweecer was born in 2001, i guess according your knowledge nobody put a 351 based engine in a fox body before that.
I'm not qualified to make a suggestion about running a 408w with or without a tune?You can try to discredit me all you like, but as far as i see you are no more qualified to make a suggestion than i am, but at least i took the initiative to call some that certainly is qualified to get an answer on the OP's behalf.
What did I say that needs Dyno numbers to support it?Seems like you spend an awful lot of time preaching about these tuning devices and very little time driving the car you tuned with them.
Dyno numbers or real proof would be nice when you are attempting to bring yourself up while putting someone else down.
None of which seem to be on this site or the one in your link.
LOL,I did a cobra swap, do you think i was giving advice on it before the car was even finished?
Finish you car, dyno it up, then talk trash.
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