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Bought a 91 foxbody with a 347 stroker, twisted wedge heads and a bunch of other goodies etc. Most of the engine, Trans etc on has 500 miles on it. Problem I'm having is a nice vibration at idle you can feel through the shifter and gets worse when you idea and rev it etc. I'm guessing there's a balance issue. The block he said is internally balanced but that would mean the balancer and flywheel need to be neutral correct? Want some info before I go taking out the Trans etc.
 
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Bump. Looking for a direction here please
 
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Solid motor/trans mounts?
 

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Carlini17 said:
Bump. Looking for a direction here please
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straight ahead
but seriously, was the miss there when you bought it?
Pull a plug wire off (one at a time) while idling, use a plug wire tool or a pair of pliers with a good insulated handle, the jult you'll get can be exciting, idle will drop and it will run worse till you get to the one with no spark that one will not change, if all's well there then you may have imbalance issue.
 
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Might want to check whether it is actually internally balanced
Some 347s require a 28 ounce weight on the damper and 50 ounce weight on the flywheel
 
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First thing I did was check the firing order. New plugs, new distributor, new wires, new coil. Motor mounts look stock and Trans mount I don't know. How would I find out if it's internally balanced or external? I wad going by what he told me since he put it together.
 

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New components can still misfire due to a number of reasons. Please check it out.

As for the balance, besides seeing the previous owner for the receipts (part numbers and the builder), I’m curious how to determine balance without at least pulling the oil pan.
 

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People tend to get internally 0 balanced and rotating assembly balanced mixed up. On my 331 the rods and pistons are scale balanced...then the rotating assembly was balanced to 28oz. imbalance. It wasn't zero balanced...but it was explained to me as being internally balanced.

You can pull the balancer off the engine and take pics of it front and rear. We should be able to find if it's 50oz, 28oz, or 0oz. More than likely it's the " run of the mill " Scat 347 rotating assembly, that should be 28oz., with the wrong 50oz flywheel / flexplate.
 

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90sickfox said:
People tend to get internally 0 balanced and rotating assembly balanced mixed up. On my 331 the rods and pistons are scale balanced...then the rotating assembly was balanced to 28oz. imbalance. It wasn't zero balanced...but it was explained to me as being internally balanced.

You can pull the balancer off the engine and take pics of it front and rear. We should be able to find if it's 50oz, 28oz, or 0oz. More than likely it's the " run of the mill " Scat 347 rotating assembly, that should be 28oz., with the wrong 50oz flywheel / flexplate.
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So how we tell what the crank is? Should it be marked like cams should be?
 

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Automatic or manual transmission?
 

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7991LXnSHO said:
So how we tell what the crank is? Should it be marked like cams should be?
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The only way to tell is to drop the pan. Scat will have their name on the first counter weight and a laser etched part number. The rods also will have part numbers that will help identify size.
 
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The only way to tell is to drop the pan. Scat will have their name on the first counter weight and a laser etched part number. The rods also will have part numbers that will help identify size.
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That’s what I had in mind, but did not want to say wrong.
I agree that 50 Oz balance parts are likely wrong on a stroker.
From experience, a 28 Oz and 50 Oz parts mismatch will idle, and then shake like nothing else by 2500 RPM. A 50 to 0 external imbalance mismatch should be terrifying.
 
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General karthief said:
straight ahead
but seriously, was the miss there when you bought it?
Pull a plug wire off (one at a time) while idling, use a plug wire tool or a pair of pliers with a good insulated handle, the jult you'll get can be exciting, idle will drop and it will run worse till you get to the one with no spark that one will not change, if all's well there then you may have imbalance issue.
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Did he say he had a miss? he said he had a vibration. Theres a significant difference between a dead misfire and a rotational vibration…( like the word thud or thump versus buzz). I’m thinking he has a buzz instead of a thump.
 

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No, mike he didn't say he had a miss but many times a miss is described as a vibration or a vibration ends up being a miss, more likely I meant something other than what I typed.
I do have a little more going on than sitting at the beach bar during happy hour in Puerto Vallarta sipping margaritas although I would join ya in a heartbeat.
enjoy my friend, the real world is right around the corner.
 

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I have seen transmissions get replaced because of a engine miss
A real pisser
Had a 96 Taurus at the dealer under warranty that vibrated so bad at freeway speed you could hardly keep it on the road
Guy working on it replaced the wheel bearings Then the cv axles. They had the trans man look at the trans and overhauled the AXOD
I finally got the car but was making the original tech fix it
Had him check the tire balance for the fourth? time. It was out 1/4 ounce (one tire)
Had him spin it again it was out 3 ounces
Had him spin it again it was out 8 ounces
I told him to break down the tire and lets see what's in there
He got so excited he did not wait for all the air to shoot out before hitting the bead ripper
It shot fix a flat all over his ass
Cost 5 grand to fix that one by ,mistake
 

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manicmechanic007 said:
I have seen transmissions get replaced because of a engine miss
A real pisser
Had a 96 Taurus at the dealer under warranty that vibrated so bad at freeway speed you could hardly keep it on the road
Guy working on it replaced the wheel bearings Then the cv axles. They had the trans man look at the trans and overhauled the AXOD
I finally got the car but was making the original tech fix it
Had him check the tire balance for the fourth? time. It was out 1/4 ounce (one tire)
Had him spin it again it was out 3 ounces
Had him spin it again it was out 8 ounces
I told him to break down the tire and lets see what's in there
He got so excited he did not wait for all the air to shoot out before hitting the bead ripper
It shot fix a flat all over his ass
Cost 5 grand to fix that one by ,mistake
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Why 5 grand?
 
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I asked if the transmission was automatic or manual because had an experience with a vibration after a transmission change. It was a rebuild automatic transmission and converter. On start up it was vibrating. I scratched my head a few minutes, unbolted the converter from the flex plate and pushed it back towards the transmission a bit. Started it up and the vibration was gone.

I called the supplier and explained. They shipped me a new converter. Problem solved. So obviously, that first converter they sent me was way out of balance.
 
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I always worry about rebuilt converters
A new Ford converter is about 1200
 

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I worry about anything rebuilt. Even if I do it myself.
Ok, more so if I do it myself
 
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Sorry for jumping back on this late, had a death in the family. It's a stick car, stock mounts, and firing order is verified and correct.
 
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