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5-lug, did i do something wrong?

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Fuzion

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I have an 87 lx notch, did a 5 lug cobra break upgrade with 95 spindles and stock length axels in rear. Also, installed x2 steeda ball joints. Car is now back on the ground but my alignment and front camber is completely off. If you look at the car from the front the tires sit like this \ _ / .
Is this simply because I am using the x2 ball joints and my car is not lowered. Or did I do something incorrect in the install?
Steeda springs just go to my house today… will they fix my problem
Thanks in advance

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bubba-dough

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With the sn95 spindle swap the alignment is gonna be waaaaaaaaay off like you are describing.. You must get an alignment.
 

tunedin302

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You definately need an alignment. Did you already adjust the tie rod ends?
 

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With the car on the ground and the steering wheel centered you will notice that both of the front wheels are pointing inward (toe-in). This is due to the different mounting points of the SN95 spindles. The car cannot be driven like this safely and will surely destroy your tires. The toe needs to be adjusted out so the car can at least be driven to have the front end re-aligned (or have the car towed). Consult your repair manual for the proper procedure for adjusting the toe (basically loosen the tie rod end lock nut and rotate the adjustment until the wheel(s) point straight forward and then tighten the lock nut).
 

trbkrb

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Are you saying the tops of the wheels are sticking out further than the bottoms (positive camber)? If so, I had a similar problem on mine when I replaced the A arm bushings and put in poly isolators with my stock springs. The strut was adjusted all the way inboard at the tower. I had to remove the poly isolators and it lowered the car and pulled the top of the wheels back in line. With it lowered some, I now have a factory spec alignment. I guess that the X2 might be contributing to the problem, but if you put in lowering springs it should improve it. CC plates would be good too if you don't already have them.
 

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5.0 Mustang just did a 5 lug swap using the 94-95 spindles. They put two 5/8" hardened washers on the ball joint and then slid the spindle on. This helped keep the wheels straight. The bottom of the 87-93 spindles are larger than the 94-95, that is why you must space them up. The X2 ball joints are for lowered vehicles I think...right? Is your car lowered? I am gonna do this swap myself, use the washers on each side and still get an alignment.
 

tunedin302

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SVT32VDOHC said:
5.0 Mustang just did a 5 lug swap using the 94-95 spindles. They put two 5/8" hardened washers on the ball joint and then slid the spindle on. This helped keep the wheels straight. The bottom of the 87-93 spindles are larger than the 94-95, that is why you must space them up. The X2 ball joints are for lowered vehicles I think...right? Is your car lowered? I am gonna do this swap myself, use the washers on each side and still get an alignment.
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X2 balljoints don't require a .330" spacer since they are already higher than the SN95 and fox. (X2 on left, stock on right)

View attachment 455390

From Steeda's site:
When a Mustang is lowered, the front roll center changes due to the new
position of the suspension pivot points. Lower the car too much and the
front roll center drops to well below ground level, and worse than that,
the roll center moves side to side as the body rolls, resulting in lost grip
and erratic handling. The lower roll center causes the body to roll more
easily. Countering this tendency usually requires a significant increase in
front spring rate to simply control the added roll due to the lowered the roll
center. This higher spring rate not only hurts ride quality, but it also
reduces grip on rough surfaces, as the stiffer springs cause the tire to skip
over bumps instead of following the contours of the road. The X2 balljoint
was designed to eliminate these problems by correcting the front roll
center geometry. The X2 balljoint has a longer shaft, to raise the spindle
relative to the balljoint pivot point. Spacers for the springs are included in
the X2 kit to maintain the same ride height as a stock balljoint, but with
a much improved roll center height. With the roll center restored to the
proper height, smaller front swaybars and softer springs can be used.
The result is a suspension that works for you to accommodate the small
and large imperfections that are in any road or track, allowing the tires to
stay planted on the ground where they belong.
 

Fuzion

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Thanks for all the advice guys.
I straightened out the front alignment by adjusting the tie rods. It felt like I was unscrewing them for a while.
My lowering springs are going on today hopefully my positive camber will be eliminated by installing them. But I can see myself ordering some cc plates soon. Which is something I wasn’t planning on doing for a couple months.
I’ll keep you guys posted. Hopefully I’ll be able to get an alignment today as well.
Thanks again.
 

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Make sure you didn't adjust the toe out too far, you dont want to run out of threads and have the tie rod come off while your going down the road.
 
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http://www.mpsautosalvage.com/products/list.cfm?TypeID=39

These guys have a kit about half way down the page.

Used, but it looks like it has everything you need to do the front properly.


Cheers
 
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Question

Question.

When you install 94-95 spindles on Fox. The spacer (washer)goes before the spindle correct. I have done this before on a 91 lx with stock a arms and seems to be they I did it but about 5year ago. I am now installing a set on a 93 GT with AJE K member and coil over set. The issue i am having seems to be the 5/8 washer stack to the correct width when under the spindle does not allow enought threads for the spindle to seat. due to the washer of 5/8 hold dia to bottom out? if they could go on top would work maybe but not how it is supposed to go?
 

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DaBoss302 said:
Question.

When you install 94-95 spindles on Fox. The spacer (washer)goes before the spindle correct. I have done this before on a 91 lx with stock a arms and seems to be they I did it but about 5year ago. I am now installing a set on a 93 GT with AJE K member and coil over set. The issue i am having seems to be the 5/8 washer stack to the correct width when under the spindle does not allow enought threads for the spindle to seat. due to the washer of 5/8 hold dia to bottom out? if they could go on top would work maybe but not how it is supposed to go?
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Negative, the spacer goes on top of the spindle.

SO you'd have the control arm with balljoint, then you put the spindle on, next would be the spacer and then you would thread the castle nut down.
 
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DaBoss302

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Spacer

solves everything then.

spindle spacer then castle nut.
 

Mustang5L5

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Correct.

Spacer is only needed if you have Fox-specific ball joints.

If you are running Sn95-specific balljoints, you don't need the spacer
 

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795.0pacecar said:
Make sure you didn't adjust the toe out too far, you dont want to run out of threads and have the tie rod come off while your going down the road.
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I think it was about 11 or 12 turns out with my Tie Rod Ends to get them in the ball park
 
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I know this obviously won't help you with your springs.
But i am thinking of doing this aswell.
How far will the front end drop with the four cylinder springs?
I have Eibach drag springs in the rear but I couldn't put my fronts in As one was broken(USED set Free) so I have stockers in the front and my arse end sits lower than the front.
ooopps wrong post
 
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spacer

where can spacer .330 be purchased online?

i think i used just flat washers 5/8 hole dia from Lowes?
 

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To be honest, I'd swap to the '95 balljoints. I don't like the idea of a spacer. It may not hurt anything, but its pretty easy to press out and in ball joints.
 

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DaBoss302 said:
where can spacer .330 be purchased online?

i think i used just flat washers 5/8 hole dia from Lowes?
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There was a Guy on the Corral that sold those spacers for like $15, I bought an extra set to keep as a spare.
 
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Prime Lord said:
To be honest, I'd swap to the '95 balljoints. I don't like the idea of a spacer. It may not hurt anything, but its pretty easy to press out and in ball joints.
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Breeze Automotive.
(#30014) Spacer Washer for SN-95 Spindle

http://breezeautomotive.com/details.php?prod_id=249

I just ordered two over the weekend. Theyre $2 each.
 
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