91 5.0 VS. 96 4.6

FastDriver said:

You're right. That was an exaggeration, and I can’t show you one that weighs exactly 2900 lbs. I don’t have a stripper notchback available for weight tests at this time – I’ll be sure to send one out as soon as it becomes available.

Seriously though, a little bit of logic will confirm what I’m telling you. No, they didn’t weigh 2900 lbs – it was actually in the high 2900s, which can be confirmed by adding common sense to an article I’m going to send you in lieu of my unavailable stripper notchbacks. The stripper hatchback in the article weighed 3060 lbs straight from the factory. I don’t recall exactly what mine weighed because it has been a long time, but it was pretty close to this. Drop 70 lbs for the approximate weight difference of the hatchback body vs. the notchback, and that takes you to 2990. Now, I don’t know why you race at full weight, but I don’t. When I weigh my cars, I weighed them at my race weight. I also weighed the components that I took off of the car. The stock spare tire was 30lbs. The jack was 6 lbs. The dog-bone was 11 lbs. The gas tank holds 15.5 gallons. ¼ of a tank would be ~4 gallons. 15.5 gallons - 11.5 gallons drops 72 lbs. Therefore, the race weight minus the driver would be 2871.

Before you say it, I know that you don’t consider this the stock weight. I understand and grant that I exaggerated saying that stock stripper notch was 2900 lbs. This is what the car would weigh the first time I took it to the track, if it were my car.



You don’t feel like explaining yourself, because you know that it is in no way easier and especially not cheaper to get 250 rwhp from a 4.6.



Cool. I thought they weighed more. You’re still 300 lbs heavy. What did the lightest GTs weigh?



I’m correct that you’re an internet racer? BTW, that 14.2 was the one and only night that I took my car out. I feel that I would have gotten easy 13s and a couple more mph from it as I had not removed the stock air silencer or bumped the timing.



You weren’t there. I was. I know what outdriving someone looks and sounds like. When a car gets on the throttle and is reeled back in it isn’t the driving. That car was outpowered. Laugh if you like…. I was there.



Quit making an ass out of yourself. Honestly, how could you know that you spend more time at the track than me?



Yup, pretty much. Did it have A/C cause guess what…. That was a factory option in the early LX 5.0s. Ask me how I know, please.



You got it. I’ve seen it too many damned times for it to be a fluke. Will report the results.


Sure thing. I’m there every weekend.



Sure sounds like it to me. Hey mind posting a slip of your fastest time in that 2000 GT, or you could send it to me via email.



No….everybody please don’t go back and look, I’ll post what I said exactly: “The best running bone stock 5.0 LXs ran 13.8s right off of the factory floor.”

Reading accuracy: note the “LXs” right after “5.0.” This delineates a certain type of 5.0, which was not the fastest 5.0 produced. Sorry bud, try again.



Show me the car that equals the stripper notch from both 1996-1998 models and 99+ models and I’ll be happy to.



Which one LS1.com, or corral.net, because those are the only two other forums that I’ve been an active member on for the past 4 years. I know, maybe one of my cars made you think that I was a ricer. Which one was it, the 1989 5.0 LX that stayed pretty close to stock, the 1999 Corvette coupe, the 1992 5.0 H/C/I LX that ran low 12s, or my current 1991 Twin-Turbo 5.0 LX? Oh, my bad.... you must've seen me in my hooptie - a 1990 Honda Accord. That's what confused you. Relax, bro, that's not the hot rod it just gets me to work and back when I'm dirty.



Accusing me of lying is going way too far, and you damned sure owe it to me to show me where I lied before you accuse me of it.



Sorry brother, I’m an officer in the U.S. Army, and I don’t have much free time to come here. The last thing I did before I left to go to the field last Monday was to check this thread, and it was the first thing I checked when I got back, today.

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5spd GT said:

I race my car "as is"...I don't strip it down just to get a faster time...what you see me race at the track is how you would see it on the street...a realistic time...instead of saying before we race..."Can I take out my spare tire and jack and let me burn off some gas first...is that okay?"

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I beat ls1's in my 2000...does that mean I got a faster car...and they "looked" like they were going all out...but you can always tell when he is slowly falling back that something isn't right...

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Well I got a 93 so A/C is not an option

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A 93 Cobra is an Lx hatch...with a body kit...

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That is the point...there is no car that equals a "stripper" 5.0 in weight...which is the only reason why a 5.0 can hang with the newer 4.6...

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Dang I thought the Accord was fast

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An Officer in the Army and getting in a childish argument with me?...hmm....

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FastDriver said:

Try racing one from a highway roll-on, and it will just walk away, though. The difference between a GT and an LS1 isn't in the same league as the difference between a 5.0 and a 99+GT. The LS1s run between 106 and 109mph traps and anywhere from 12.9s (So, I hear) to 13.5s depending on options, transmissions etc... The best I've seen a verified stock one go is 13.08@109.

Anyway, the point is that your slower LS1s at 106mph are still trapping 4 mph faster than your fastest GTs whereas the slowest GTs are not trapping any faster than the fastest LXs.... at least not in my opinion.

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