Alright gang, built Dart or Coyote?

Monkeybutt2000 · Jan 13, 2024

Pros and Cons? A Dart longblock from ZSR or Fordstrokers is 11k. A takeout Coyote can be anywhere from 3.5-8k +. In my situation with the Dart, I drop it right in and literally buy nothing. The coyote,the engine install is fairly simple,but the wiring,hydroboost,etc is time consuming. If you were in a position to do this ,which direction would you go and why?

Noobz347 · Jan 13, 2024

If you're not doing a flat-plane V8 then Windsor all the way.

FastDriver · Jan 13, 2024

Never wanted anything but a Windsor, be it 302 or 351 based, in my foxes.

You're always gonna get the guys who talk about smoothness, or the new fangled tech, but I still haven't seen anything power-wise from a coyote that can't be done with a 363 Dart, even though I don't deny how impressive they are. If you want 400 or 2k hp, either PowerPoint has ways to do it. I think you're still on more solid ground at huge power levels with a Dart block, though.

ThinBlue502 · Jan 13, 2024

I’ve been leaning more toward Godzilla or 460 based stroker, just my $0.02

General karthief · Jan 13, 2024

Windsor all the way the reason is simplicity, time.
I ain't got time for a 'project'. With EFI drivability is a non-issue.

Noobz347 · Jan 13, 2024

General karthief said:
Windsor all the way the reason is simplicity, time.
I ain't got time for a 'project'. With EFI drivability is a non-issue.

...and Wow factor IMO.

I mean... Everybody has seen the Coyote thing. It's cool. Nobody waits around to hear it start up though.

Just thinkin' out loud

You really want to get crazy, do a solid lifter.

General karthief · Jan 13, 2024

You ain't 'crazy' till you strap a blower on that beach.
You be say'n 'coyote what? Where?'

bird_dog0347 · Jan 13, 2024

I would have said 363, but I'm going supercharged 4.6 (not Terminator) as the sound is awesome, the look is different, the drive-ability is fantastic and I was already going full send anyway. In your situation, the 363 will likely be cheaper overall since you already have a 5.0 based block so everything you have just bolts up. Any other swap and you'll have to factor in things like bellhousing, exhaust, K member, brake booster, power steering, AC, heat, fuel system, engine management, etc.

Mustang5L5 · Jan 13, 2024

Coyote with a whipple

nickyb · Jan 13, 2024

Get a Stroker windsor 363-460 and put a Harrop tvs2650 super charger( good for 1200hp) on it.
Done.

Monkeybutt2000 · Jan 14, 2024

Should've stated it would be an NA build,no power adder.

AeroCoupe · Jan 14, 2024

NA then 363 Dart based hands down. If you were thinking power adder then Coyote with a turbo.

ThinBlue502 · Jan 14, 2024

If you’re staying N/A I would just like to drop this here as well.

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/cheap-ford-big-b-460-10-reasons-jon-kaase/?sm_id=organic%3Asm_id%3Afb%3AHRN%3Atrueanthem&fbclid=IwAR1bGY4NOdkdU3ntPLB_K8pbJ6qHnF2R4mUT_1u4EAU_IWX3Z6w4fE5FSq8

There’s a 460 stroked to 501 for sale on Marketplace rn for $3200. Brand new, full long block. A couple truck based stock motors with low miles for $500.

Additionally, they’re a metric F-ton of 7.3 Godzillas being taken out brand new from fleet vehicles being converted to electric. I like big blocks and I cannot lie. Especially N/A

nickyb · Jan 14, 2024

Small block 460.

2000xp8 · Jan 14, 2024

The 363 is period correct and possibly faster.
The coyote will be a better street car.

If this was a quarter mile car, all motor? I'd say 363.
If this is a car that you want to reliably cruise around (including in traffic), coyote wins.

So while i still have my own demons about using a mod motor in a foxbody, i'd vote coyote (assuming it's a cruiser).
The coyote will literally be set it and forget it when it's done.

TOOLOW91 · Jan 15, 2024

363 will make really good power and have that pushrod rawness . Yes it wil in essence just drop right in . You’re not messing with accessories , hydro boost , ps brackets , and so fourth.

You’ll still need fuel system , intake , throttle body, injectors , some way to tune with 363 as well as a clutch , or converter if it’s auto .

They both have pros and cons but in my opinion the push rod is still a winner and at that point there’s no reason not to go to a Windsor based 408 or 427 if you plan on staying N.A. .

Will make more power for your money . I still vote Windsor based deal

ThinBlue502 · Jan 15, 2024

2000xp8 said:
The 363 is period correct and possibly faster.
The coyote will be a better street car.

If this was a quarter mile car, all motor? I'd say 363.

If you’re going 351W based why stop with 363? Why not go all out and stroke it to 427?

2000xp8 said:
So while i still have my own demons about using a mod motor in a foxbody, i'd vote coyote (assuming it's a cruiser).
The coyote will literally be set it and forget it when it's done.

I would also counter this by saying the Godzilla swap would require the same changes regarding fuel, hydroboost, etc. and would be cheaper. Also still a pushrod motor.

I love coyote swaps too, but that’s an expensive piece of machinery.

AeroCoupe · Jan 15, 2024

When most talk about a Dart 363 is not a 351W based motor. Its an 8.2 deck Dart block bored to 4.125" with a 3.4" stroke. I could be wrong here but typically that is the case.

2000xp8 · Jan 15, 2024

I'm not against a 7.3.
Even considered a built one (with heads and a cam) i could have bought fairly cheap a couple years back.
But at the time there was only one control pack that would run one at a cost of 3 grand and the only intake on the market was 2 grand.
I'm not sure what is out there now to make it easier and i don't actually know how one fits under a fox hood.
I still think as a swap, it's going to add up and have less optional aftermarket parts than a coyote.

95BlueStallion · Jan 17, 2024

nickyb said:
Get a Stroker windsor 363-460 and put a Harrop tvs2650 super charger( good for 1200hp) on it.
Done.

I like where your head is at, except my Dart 363 cost me $17k to be built, and that Harrop supercharger kit is $12k... Would it be awesome? Hell yes it would. But damn near $30k in the engine alone? At that point a Coyote with a Roush TVS or Whipple would be way more cost effective. You can find them as take outs all over.

Alright gang, built Dart or Coyote?

Monkeybutt2000

Mustang Master

Noobz347

Stangnet Facilities Maint Tech... Er... Janitor

FastDriver

I was uncomfortably high & wearing a helmet

ThinBlue502

General karthief

wonder how much it would cost to ship you a pair

Noobz347

Stangnet Facilities Maint Tech... Er... Janitor

General karthief

wonder how much it would cost to ship you a pair

bird_dog0347

still married haven't seen testicles in years

Mustang5L5

That is…until I whipped out my Bissell

nickyb

I gotta say i never painted my nuts, Never Ever

Monkeybutt2000

Mustang Master

AeroCoupe

lube between the nut and the face. I know my lubes

ThinBlue502

nickyb

I gotta say i never painted my nuts, Never Ever

2000xp8

TOOLOW91

If you're the village idiot what's that make me?

ThinBlue502

AeroCoupe

lube between the nut and the face. I know my lubes

2000xp8

95BlueStallion

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Alright gang, built Dart or Coyote?

Mustang Master

Stangnet Facilities Maint Tech... Er... Janitor

I was uncomfortably high & wearing a helmet

wonder how much it would cost to ship you a pair

Stangnet Facilities Maint Tech... Er... Janitor

wonder how much it would cost to ship you a pair

still married haven't seen testicles in years

That is…until I whipped out my Bissell

I gotta say i never painted my nuts, Never Ever

Mustang Master

lube between the nut and the face. I know my lubes

I gotta say i never painted my nuts, Never Ever

If you're the village idiot what's that make me?

lube between the nut and the face. I know my lubes

My assy trans to myself

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