And the official weight is....

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

And the champ steps up the the scale...he's looking lean, the robe comes off, he steps up, and the official weight iiiiiiiisss....


3160.


Now, mind you, that's with 220lbs of fat ass sitting in the driver's seat, a half tank of gas, and my tool box in the trunk (probably 60lbs or so).

So... 3160 - 220 = 2940, - ~60 for the tools = 2880.

According to this site http://www.faqs.org/qa/qa-2617.html a gallon of gas weighs in at about 6.25lbs per gallon. So, if memory serves me correct, the stock tank is a 16 gallon tank, which equals 8 x 6.25 = 50lbs exactly, so that brings us to 2830lbs dry weight.

Not bad considering i haven't done anything as far as weight reduction aside from running without a spare in the trunk (still have the jack though incase i need to jack it up for something). That's also with iron heads and all that junk.


Now who was it? GTOReturns i think who said my car doesn't weigh a pound less than 3000? Just wait till i have aluminum heads, the tubular K + A arms go on and i get the sound deadening out of the interior, and throw in some Kirkley race buckets. Can you say 2600lbs dry weight?

 

[Darkwriter77]

Bah! Too much approximation going on there. Remove the tools, push the thing on there with a dry tank (or a 100% full tank, and then subtract pounds-per-gallon for a more exact number) don't sit in the car when it's being weighed, and THEN we shall accept these more scientific weight measurements for their accuracy.

Just kiddin'.

Just curious, do you have any power options on there? Seats, mirrors, locks, windows, etc. ...? I've heard that the earlier Foxes weighed less than the later ones, but I didn't know if that was due to fewer power option stuffs or less sound deadening material, both, or whatever...

That ain't too shabby a weight, really. I'd kinda like to see what my notch weighs, whenever I get around to removing all the extra DD crap from it that I don't need, now that it's a weekend toy. (Stereo junk, spare/jack, rear seat, etc.) But then, I don't know of a weigh station anywhere near my place, or any other place that could/would weigh it.

 

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Well the only real approximation is the tool and gas weight, and i think i'll go get my tools out and step on the scale and see what i weigh holding them and then do the math. It was kind of a half ass planned thing, i won't drive my car without tools because you NEVER know, and i made the mistake of putting a ton of gas in it before i left because i had to drive down town to get some parts...SOOO

And no, i don't have power anything except steering. All smog junk is gone, no AC etc. The thing is, the older Foxes just plain don't weigh as much. Once the aero years hit, Ford was trying harder to make the cars more comfortable and stylish, and all that equals weight. Every little thing adds up and people don't think about it....example, just having the '87+ coupe quarter glass vs. the pre-87 glass equals more weight because there's more glass. That might be pretty anal, but hey a pound is a pound and they all add up.

 

[86bluecobra]

Hmmm so my car is pretty close then in wieght. I don't feel so bad anymore. I wiegh 270lbs. You my friend are a skinny little runt. HAHA. I need to get a few more things out of my car to get the wieght down into the 2800lb area. Perhaps removal of the 351w and a built 347 stroker would get me there or get rid of 100lbs of roll bars.

 

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Hmmm so my car is pretty close then in wieght. I don't feel so bad anymore. I wiegh 270lbs. You my friend are a skinny little runt. HAHA. I need to get a few more things out of my car to get the wieght down into the 2800lb area. Perhaps removal of the 351w and a built 347 stroker would get me there or get rid of 100lbs of roll bars.

Right...see i have no roll bar or anything like that. I'm suddenly getting obsessed with the idea of making it as light as possible so crazy things are probably in the works..lol. I've even considered just gutting the interior except for the dash and the seats if i could somehow make it look right.


This car:

Actually has a really badass looking gutted interior, you can kinda see it in the pic. A lot of people think i'm crazy with that idea, but the way i see it is once you put a big roll cage in that you have to climb over and you can't lean your seat back or get anything into the back seats, you've pretty much thrown out comfort anyways.

 

[LtDavis]

And the champ steps up the the scale...he's looking lean, the robe comes off, he steps up, and the official weight iiiiiiiisss....


3160.


Now, mind you, that's with 220lbs of fat ass sitting in the driver's seat, a half tank of gas, and my tool box in the trunk (probably 60lbs or so).

So... 3160 - 220 = 2940, - ~60 for the tools = 2880.

According to this site http://www.faqs.org/qa/qa-2617.html a gallon of gas weighs in at about 6.25lbs per gallon. So, if memory serves me correct, the stock tank is a 16 gallon tank, which equals 8 x 6.25 = 50lbs exactly, so that brings us to 2830lbs dry weight.

Not bad considering i haven't done anything as far as weight reduction aside from running without a spare in the trunk (still have the jack though incase i need to jack it up for something). That's also with iron heads and all that junk.


Now who was it? GTOReturns i think who said my car doesn't weigh a pound less than 3000? Just wait till i have aluminum heads, the tubular K + A arms go on and i get the sound deadening out of the interior, and throw in some Kirkley race buckets. Can you say 2600lbs dry weight?

seems like a good weight... that doesn't look like a fiberglass hood in your sig pic so you can shave some pounds there (off the front end too!) fiberglass trunk, doors, lexan windows....

 

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

seems like a good weight... that doesn't look like a fiberglass hood in your sig pic so you can shave some pounds there (off the front end too!) fiberglass trunk, doors, lexan windows....

No it's a steel hood, but it's cut out in the center by Ford to make the scoop functional/optional, and it actually weighs less than the old 4 inch cowl that i used to have on it. The trunk lid only weighs like 10-15 lbs...not much to save their either. I don't know if i'd want lexan on a street car either...i don't really race seriously enough for that.


At this point the only other weight savings are going to be aluminum heads, tubular K member/A arms and coilovers, lighter seats, remove all the unnecessary crap from under the hood (LOTS of old SSP wiring crap from the lights and emissions type crap left), remove the sound deadening under the carpet if i don't gut the interior, remove the stereo and speakers...that's about as much as you can do to these cars without literally gutting them. Maybe shop around for lighter tires, which is something a lot of people overlook but there's a lot of weight in cheap tires.


Hell, i'm pretty happy with 2830lbs. I kinda wish i would have gotten front/rear weight so i could figure out the 50/50 ratio. They say the tubular K and stuff and aluminum heads can save 100lbs off the front...then if i trunk mount the battery i'd be down to around 2700lbs and maybe close to a 50/50 weight balance. I'm also thinking about a manual steering rack, but i don't know if i'm ready to sacrifice my power steering.

 

[Dean85GT]

why were you browsing on www.f ags.org?

EDIT: NEVERMIND! It was the underlining on the q. LMAO

 

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

why were you browsing on www.f ags.org?

EDIT: NEVERMIND! It was the underlining on the q. LMAO

geez

what's on YOUR mind?

 

[mob]

You mean you didn't calculate how much the oil, ps fluid, tranny fluid, etc weighs?

 

[86bluecobra]

You mean you didn't calculate how much the oil, ps fluid, tranny fluid, etc weighs?

Wow now we are getting technical.

 

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Wow now we are getting technical.

Yeah not to mention sarcastic...lol


Apparently some people have never heard of "race weight". If you calculate your weight with fuel, you could hurt yourself on weight numbers. Some classes require you to have a dry weight because you can only have so many horsepower per pound, and that extra gas weight would be an advantage.

 

[GTOreturns]

And the champ steps up the the scale...he's looking lean, the robe comes off, he steps up, and the official weight iiiiiiiisss....


3160.


Now, mind you, that's with 220lbs of fat ass sitting in the driver's seat, a half tank of gas, and my tool box in the trunk (probably 60lbs or so).

So... 3160 - 220 = 2940, - ~60 for the tools = 2880.

According to this site http://www.faqs.org/qa/qa-2617.html a gallon of gas weighs in at about 6.25lbs per gallon. So, if memory serves me correct, the stock tank is a 16 gallon tank, which equals 8 x 6.25 = 50lbs exactly, so that brings us to 2830lbs dry weight.

Not bad considering i haven't done anything as far as weight reduction aside from running without a spare in the trunk (still have the jack though incase i need to jack it up for something). That's also with iron heads and all that junk.


Now who was it? GTOReturns i think who said my car doesn't weigh a pound less than 3000? Just wait till i have aluminum heads, the tubular K + A arms go on and i get the sound deadening out of the interior, and throw in some Kirkley race buckets. Can you say 2600lbs dry weight?

You had to have did something to lighten it up. Because from the factory there well over 3000lbs. What year is it? Obviously something has been done to lighten the load of the scale you used is off!

 

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

You had to have did something to lighten it up. Because from the factory there well over 3000lbs. What year is it? Obviously something has been done to lighten the load of the scale you used is off!

Man you can't be serious! Otherwise you just don't know much about these cars...


I think we've been through this before, but i'll go there again. For starters, and i don't have any actual proof of this, just more my experience with tearing down different Fox's, it seems to me that the '87+ cars have more sound deadening, especially under the carpets. Then, there's the dash assembly and console, which all weigh more than the older dash, and my car came factory without a console.

Then lets look at the coupe vs. hatch aspect. How much weight do you think there is in that huge sheet of glass in the back of a hatch back? Also, the quarter glass on newer cars both hatch and coupe are bigger, and more glass equals more weight. Add just those things up and your average pre-87 coupe is going to weigh less...it's not like my car is something special.

Then there's the typical weight savings from no AC, no smog, and the fact that a carbed setup weighs less than EFI (don't even debate this one...the intake alone is twice as heavy, then you add in all the extra harnesses and sensors and BS...there's a lot more weight here). I've got an aluminum drive shaft which might have saved 5lbs, but i've also got full length headers and full exhaust with tailpipes so that makes up for that.

What else is there? Draglites are pretty light compared to typical wheels...i probably saved some there. I don't have a spare in the trunk but i do keep the jack in there and a 4 way. I've still got a stereo and 4 speakers (none of them work...lol...two 3 inch in the front and two 6x9 in the back). It still has a full interior and still has the sound deadening/carpet padding under the factory carpet. Still has factory seats front and back...hell the interior is factory stock except for the CD player and tach.

The hood probably saves a decent amount of weight...even though it's steel, it weighs less than a 4 inch cowl. It's cut out in the center to allow for extra hood clearance (this is a factory done stamped out hole done by Ford and works in conjunction with the scoop, which can be opened in the front to be a functional scoop).

That about does it I've still got iron heads even. Any other coupe on here with the same setup as that is going to weigh what mine does. Oh, maybe i saved 3lbs or so since the bottoms of my doors are rusted out

 

[GTOreturns]

Man you can't be serious! Otherwise you just don't know much about these cars...


I think we've been through this before, but i'll go there again. For starters, and i don't have any actual proof of this, just more my experience with tearing down different Fox's, it seems to me that the '87+ cars have more sound deadening, especially under the carpets. Then, there's the dash assembly and console, which all weigh more than the older dash, and my car came factory without a console.

Then lets look at the coupe vs. hatch aspect. How much weight do you think there is in that huge sheet of glass in the back of a hatch back? Also, the quarter glass on newer cars both hatch and coupe are bigger, and more glass equals more weight. Add just those things up and your average pre-87 coupe is going to weigh less...it's not like my car is something special.

Then there's the typical weight savings from no AC, no smog, and the fact that a carbed setup weighs less than EFI (don't even debate this one...the intake alone is twice as heavy, then you add in all the extra harnesses and sensors and BS...there's a lot more weight here). I've got an aluminum drive shaft which might have saved 5lbs, but i've also got full length headers and full exhaust with tailpipes so that makes up for that.

What else is there? Draglites are pretty light compared to typical wheels...i probably saved some there. I don't have a spare in the trunk but i do keep the jack in there and a 4 way. I've still got a stereo and 4 speakers (none of them work...lol...two 3 inch in the front and two 6x9 in the back). It still has a full interior and still has the sound deadening/carpet padding under the factory carpet. Still has factory seats front and back...hell the interior is factory stock except for the CD player and tach.

The hood probably saves a decent amount of weight...even though it's steel, it weighs less than a 4 inch cowl. It's cut out in the center to allow for extra hood clearance (this is a factory done stamped out hole done by Ford and works in conjunction with the scoop, which can be opened in the front to be a functional scoop).

That about does it I've still got iron heads even. Any other coupe on here with the same setup as that is going to weigh what mine does. Oh, maybe i saved 3lbs or so since the bottoms of my doors are rusted out

Your "not" listening. What have "YOU" done as far as wieght lose. In the original post you say you still have the sound deadening in, now your saaying how much wieght you saved with it out. The back window on a hatch is a little more wieght then a notch but its not like its a 100lbs wich you make it out to sound like.
Jack but no spare? Im not gonna touch this one. Sterio and speaker are still in but they dont work? Again,, aint touching it! As far as the tool box goes its a must, you cant take it out because you know that sum btch is gonna break down any minute now!
So,,,what have "you done" to "your car" to make it lighter. (Cool looking ride by the way) The only thing I can see is the elimination of the tail pipes, Cobra rims and racing seats.. What else?

 

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Here ya go. I can't say where this dude get's his info from, but he's got a lot of it and had to get it from somewhere.

Scroll down about half way and there's a list of all available body styles and engine/trans combos and their weight for 1985. The very first line in the chart, LX 5.0/5 speed weighs 3040lbs. He doesn't say if that's a no option car or not, but suffice to say that even if it is, it's only 40lbs over 3k....that's as simple as pulling out the spare tire and jack and there's your 3k.

http://www.flemworld.com/85/info.html

 

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Your "not" listening. What have "YOU" done as far as wieght lose. In the original post you say you still have the sound deadening in, now your saaying how much wieght you saved with it out. The back window on a hatch is a little more wieght then a notch but its not like its a 100lbs wich you make it out to sound like.
Jack but no spare? Im not gonna touch this one. Sterio and speaker are still in but they dont work? Again,, aint touching it! As far as the tool box goes its a must, you cant take it out because you know that sum btch is gonna break down any minute now!
So,,,what have "you done" to "your car" to make it lighter. (Cool looking ride by the way) The only thing I can see is the elimination of the tail pipes, Cobra rims and racing seats.. What else?

I never said i removed the sound deadening/carpet padding did i? It's all in there. I've got a jack but no spare because my car came with a full size SSP spare, which is WRECKED to hell and back and in storage, hence no spare. The jack is in there because what if i need to get under the car?

Also the comment about tools and breaking down....that's below the belt

As for the stereo....it came with it broken and i don't much care about listening to music while driving the car....duel exhaust is the best stereo money can buy

Maybe i took your asking a question for doubting me...sorry if i did i'm not real sure how to take your comments? You seem real doubtful, like you think i'm making it up?

What have "I" done? Well, it's all up there in the post Basically just deleted the AC/smog junk, spare tire, and threw on Welds and an aluminum drive shaft...that pretty much sums up any kind of weight savings that i've "done" to the car. Everything else is just luck of owning an '85 coupe i guess.


Oh, this you might find interesting about the hatch/coupe weight difference. If you go over to carbdford.com, there's a comment by one of the members about the weight of his GT...an '85 GT. Now, he has almost identically the same setup as me as far as the no smog and no AC, but he also has aluminum heads. His car weighs 3110 with him in it, 2950 without. 2950 - 2830 = 120lbs. If you consider the easy 50lbs he saved with the aluminum heads, he's close to being 200lbs more than my coupe. There's more than just glass back there, there's also the big heavy hatch itself (ever pick one up??) and the bigger quarter glass.


DANG! This is getting way more complicated than it needs to be...lol. Here's that thread if you wanna read it http://www.carbdford.com/viewtopic.php?t=10700

 

[GTOreturns]

Just trying to see where all the wieght went, my bad though I didnt know it was an 85. I dont see any back seats either? Or am I blind?

 

[85_SS_302_Coupe]

Just trying to see where all the wieght went, my bad though I didnt know it was an 85. I dont see any back seats either? Or am I blind?

Ok man....sorry if i got snippy....i remember that other thread where you REALLY didn't think it weighed less than 3k...lol


Yeah, it's got a full interior...scout's honor

It's all in the details man....most of the older cars came with aluminum bumpers...which i believe mine has, stuff like that. I read somewhere that the old 4 banger cars weighed as little as 2500lbs, and i thought that was crazy but i guess it's possible.

I'm getting ready to start some interior restoration, so the whole interior is getting gutted except for the dash and driver's seat...i've gotta weigh it with all that out just for laughs...lol.

 

[GTOreturns]

Yeah I know the 79's were crazy lite!!