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Another Fuel Pressure Post..Please Help

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I recently completed a full cam, head, and intake swap as well as installed a 3G alternator and moved the wiring into the fenderwells in my 1992 Mustang 5.0. I'm now realizing that I changed too much at once and it is making solving this problem even harder.

When I went to start the car after the upgrades, it would crank but not start and the fuel pump would not prime. So...I researched the Stangnet threads and came across a lot of very useful information from JRichker and numerous other members concerning fuel pressure issues. Having those in hand...here is what I've tried and found:

1. I have no power to the pink/blk wire to the fuel pump relay.
2. So, I ran a 12V jumper directly from the battery to the fuel pump relay to provide power and jumpered the self test connector to chassis ground. I then turned the ignition on and checked for power through the relay to the Dk green/yellow wire on the fuel pump relay. No power on the dk green/yellow wire.
3. I purchased a new relay at NAPA to make sure it wasn't a relay problem and nothing changed.
4. I connected the pink/blk wire directly to the dk green/yellow wire and the fuel pump functions properly telling me it's not a fuel pump or inertia switch issue.

One thing I haven't done is connect a 4 gauge ground from the engine block to chassis ground as suggested by JRichker when installing a 3G alternator.

I should probably start with the 4 gauge ground, but then what?

Thanks so much to all who respond. I'm dying to drive my new combination (Anderson N-41 cam, TFS TW heads, TMoss ported and matched upper and lower Edelbrock Performer intake, etc.) but can't with these issues.
 

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run the ground (you can never have too many grounds)

the PK/BK is fed by an 18 gauge fusible link.

do you have power on the Red wire with the key ON?? that wire comes from the EEC power relay.
 
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I will try the ground tonight.

I currently do not have power to the red wire with the ignition on.
 

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then check for power at the EEC Power Relay.

should have power at all times on Yellow wire. power with key ON on R/LG wire. relay ground is BK/W through EEC.
 

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The cam, head and intake swaps shouldn't have affected your electronics in any way, especially your fuel pump. Your first step should be to check all of the wiring that you relocated into the fenderwells. Even assuming that you wired the alternator incorrectly, you should still have power to the fuel pump with the key on. NEVER underestimate the power of a ground cable. You can't imagine the number of problems which are created by a bad ground. I would HIGHLY recommend a large gauge wire running directly from the negative terminal on the battery to the engine block to the chassis, in that order.
 

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Fuel Pump Troubleshooting for 91-93 Mustangs

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on.
It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running,
find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to
ground.

If the fuse links are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure –
remove the cap from the Schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the
core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. A tire pressure gauge can also be
used if you have one - look for 37-40 PSI. Beware of fire hazard when you do this.


No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – press reset button on the inertia switch. The hatch
cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the
voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch

B.) Fuel pump Relay: On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter.

C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect
for fuel escaping while pump is running.

The electrical circuit for the fuel pump has two paths, a control path and a power
path.

The control path consists of the computer, and the fuel pump relay coil. It turns
the fuel pump relay on or off under computer control. The switched power (red
wire) from the ECC relay goes to the relay coil and then from the relay coil to the
computer (light blue\orange wire). The computer provides the ground path to
complete the circuit. This ground causes the relay coil to energize and close the
contacts for the power path. Keep in mind that you can have voltage to all the
right places, but the computer must provide a ground. If there is no ground, the
relay will not close the power contacts.

The power path picks up from a fuse link near the starter relay. Fuse links are like
fuses, except they are pieces of wire and are made right into the wiring harness.
The feed wire from the fuse link (pink/black wire) goes to the fuel pump relay
contacts. When the contacts close because the relay energizes, the power flows
through the pink/black wire to the contacts and through the dark green\yellow
wire to the inertia switch. The other side of the inertia switch with the
brown\pink wire joins the pink/black wire that connects to the fuel pump. The fuel
pump has a black wire that supplies the ground to complete the circuit.

Remember that the computer does not source any power to actuators, relays
or injectors, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That
means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to
ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.



diagram of the wiring for 91-93 cars.

Power circuits:
Power feed: Look for 12 volts at the pink/black wire (power source for fuel pump relay).
No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring, or connections. Remember that on 92
or later models the fuel pump relay is located under the Mass Air meter. Watch out for the
WOT A/C control relay on these cars, as it is located in the same place and can easily be
mistaken for the fuel pump relay.

Relay: Turn on the key and jumper the ECC test connector as previously described. Look
for 12 volts at the dark green\yellow wire (relay controlled power for the fuel pump). No
voltage there means that the relay has failed, or there is a broken wire in the relay control circuit.

Inertia switch: Check the brown/pink wire, it should have 12 volts. No 12 volts there, either
the inertia switch is open or has no power to it. Check both sides of the inertia switch: there
should be power on the dark green\yellow (inertia switch input) and brown/pink wire
(inertia switch output). Power on the dark green\yellow wire and not on the brown/pink wire
means the inertia switch is open. Press on the red plunger to reset it to the closed position.
Sometimes the inertia switch will be intermittent or will not pass full power. Be sure that
there is 12 volts on both sides of the switch with the pump running and that the voltage drop
measured across the switch is less than .75 volts.

Pump wiring: Anytime the ignition switch is in the Run position and the test
point is jumpered to ground, there should be at least 12 volts present on the
black/pink wire. With power off, check the pump ground: you should see less
than 1 ohm between the black wire and chassis ground.

Control circuits:

Relay: The red wire for the fuel pump relay coil gets its power feed from the ECC relay.
No 12 volts here, and the ECC relay has failed or there is bad wiring or bad connections
coming from it. The ECC relay is located on top of the computer, which is under the passenger’s
side kick panel. It is not easy to get to, you must have small hands or pull the passenger side
dash speaker out to access it.

Relay: The light blue/orange wire provides a ground path for the relay power. With the test
connector jumpered according to the previous instructions, there should be less than .75 volts.
Use a test lamp with one side connected to battery power and the other side to the light blue/orange
wire on the fuel pump relay. The test light should glow brightly. No glow and you have a broken
wire or bad connection between the test connector and the relay. To test the wiring from the
computer, remove the passenger side kick panel and disconnect the computer connector.
It has a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place. Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector.
With the test lamp connected to power, jumper pin 22 to ground and the test lamp should glow.
No glow and the wiring between the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.

Computer: If you got this far and everything else checked out good, the computer is suspect.
Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood.
Probe computer pin 22 with a safety pin and ground it to chassis. Make sure the computer
and everything else is connected. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position and observe
the fuel pressure. The pump should run at full pressure.
If it doesn't, the wiring between pin 22 on the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.
If it does run at full pressure, the computer may have failed.

Keep in mind that the computer only runs the fuel pump for about 2-3 seconds when you turn
the key to the Run position. This can sometimes fool you into thinking the computer has died.
Connect one lead of the test light to power and the other lead to computer pin 22 with a safety pin.
With the ignition switch Off, jumper the computer into self test mode like you are going to dump
the codes. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position. The light will flicker when the computer
does the self test routine. A flickering light is a good computer. No flickering light is a bad computer.
Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host)
for help on 88-95 wiring http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/

Fuel pump runs continuously: The fuel pump relay contacts are stuck together or the light blue/orange wire
has shorted to ground. Remove the fuel pump relay from its socket. Then disconnect the computer and use
an ohmmeter to check out the resistance between the light blue/orange wire and ground. You should see
more than 10 K Ohms (10,000 ohms) or an infinite open circuit. Be sure that the test connector isn’t
jumpered to ground.
If the wiring checks out good, then the computer is the likely culprit.

Prior to replacing the computer, check the computer power ground. The computer has its own
dedicated power ground that comes off the ground pigtail on the battery ground wire. Due to
it's proximity to the battery, it may become corroded by acid fumes from the battery. It is a
black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/lt green wire. You'll find it up
next to the starter solenoid where the wire goes into the wiring harness
 
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Well...sorry it has taken so long to get back to you guys...I've been out of town.

Tonight I ran a 4 ga. ground from the block (where the negative wire from the battery is connected) to the chassis ground located next to the battery. No change...still no power on the PK/BK wire.

Also, no power on the Gr/Y wire out of the relay when I jumper the EEC self test connector to chassis ground and turn the key on.

As soon as I have time....I guess I'm going to undo all the wiring I moved to the fenderwells and look for problems. How will I recognize the 18 gauge fusible link for the fuel pump relay?

Thanks.
 

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mull9433 said:
Well...sorry it has taken so long to get back to you guys...I've been out of town.

Tonight I ran a 4 ga. ground from the block (where the negative wire from the battery is connected) to the chassis ground located next to the battery. No change...still no power on the PK/BK wire.

Also, no power on the Gr/Y wire out of the relay when I jumper the EEC self test connector to chassis ground and turn the key on.

As soon as I have time....I guess I'm going to undo all the wiring I moved to the fenderwells and look for problems. How will I recognize the 18 gauge fusible link for the fuel pump relay?

Thanks.
Click to expand...

the fuible link should be connected to the starter soleniod on the driver's side fender apron and has a PK/BK wire coming from it.

if you don't have power at the PK/BK wire then you won't have power on the DG/Y wire
 
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