Anyone Seen this before?

Wayne Due is building frames for 1st gen Camaros. I have also seen this frame, and tried to get more info. Art Morrison also does some frames.

The basic idea was something I wanted to look into when I was first doing my convertible, figuring that a serious chassis would be a good starting point for a performance convertible. I wasn't thrilled with what I found [this was >2 yrs ago] for the cost, and thus we started cutting and welding.

The Ring Brothers had a custom frame [Art Morrison IIRC] for their 'vert.
 
brianj5600 said:
Care to share? Steering looks like there is not enough travel for the long looking steering arms on the spindles.

Well, to note a few problems;

The front swaybar looks like it may have ground clearence issues?

The upper A-arm heim joints are a little smaller then I would like, and the fact that every suspension point is solid would suck for a street car.

The worst thing I see is the upper and lower rear shock mounts are single sheer and stick way out. They look way weak.

The rear suspension is a satchel link four bar setup. If I was going to go to that much trouble to make a chassis like that I'd use a three link, or a properly designed parallel four link.

The rack and pinion input shaft looks like it would be a pain but other wise the nice long lower a-arms look good.

Good point about the spindle arms...guess its about on par with TCP stuff that everyone is gonzo about.
 
10secgoal said:
If it functions good, seems damn good to me. Basically a built rear, and MII front end, and full frame for only 3k ? Gonna spend that on the MII

It's not going anywhere near $3000!!! Notice the 'reserve not met'? That WOULD be a great price, no doubt. I'd look towards adapting it for an earlier model [likely do the TCP-type push-the-fender-sheetmetal-out trick].
 
Sundance said:
Well, to note a few problems;

The front swaybar looks like it may have ground clearence issues?

The upper A-arm heim joints are a little smaller then I would like, and the fact that every suspension point is solid would suck for a street car.

The worst thing I see is the upper and lower rear shock mounts are single sheer and stick way out. They look way weak.

The rear suspension is a satchel link four bar setup. If I was going to go to that much trouble to make a chassis like that I'd use a three link, or a properly designed parallel four link.

The rack and pinion input shaft looks like it would be a pain but other wise the nice long lower a-arms look good.

Good point about the spindle arms...guess its about on par with TCP stuff that everyone is gonzo about.

Thanks for the tutoring! Helpful to read and then look at the pics.
 
kmterrill said:
A question. I thought the Satchel was better since it got rid of the Panhard bar?

That is the reason a Satchel is inferior, because it does not have a Panhard or Watts. With the additional lateral link you can adjust the rear roll center.

It could be argued that a Satchel link suspension could be made to do the same, but a Panhard would allow more adjustment and be easier.
 
Sundance said:
That is the reason a Satchel is inferior, because it does not have a Panhard or Watts. With the additional lateral link you can adjust the rear roll center.

It could be argued that a Satchel link suspension could be made to do the same, but a Panhard would allow more adjustment and be easier.

But by adding a watts or panhard bar you're just adding weight to the car? How much adjustment do you need on a properly designed suspension?