Anyone Seen this before?

Steve69 · Mar 23, 2006

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Must...4624904957QQcategoryZ6236QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

68torinogt · Mar 23, 2006

nope but if it works its a good start to a nice car

Sundance · Mar 24, 2006

Great idea, but I see alot of flaws in the design!

2nd Mustang · Mar 24, 2006

"That's all you have to do."

I don't trust that line.

Steve69 · Mar 24, 2006

Price seems a little high also.

5.0ina66 · Mar 24, 2006

2nd Mustang said:
"That's all you have to do."

I don't trust that line.

Famous last words......

69Rcode_Mach1 · Mar 24, 2006

Could be better, especially for that price tag.

mtbdoc · Mar 24, 2006

Wayne Due is building frames for 1st gen Camaros. I have also seen this frame, and tried to get more info. Art Morrison also does some frames.

The basic idea was something I wanted to look into when I was first doing my convertible, figuring that a serious chassis would be a good starting point for a performance convertible. I wasn't thrilled with what I found [this was >2 yrs ago] for the cost, and thus we started cutting and welding.

The Ring Brothers had a custom frame [Art Morrison IIRC] for their 'vert.

1320stang · Mar 24, 2006

Shoot, I'd go to US Body Source and get a 'glass '67 body to put on it and avoid the rust. Granted, now your dealing with subpar 'glass, but it ain't rust and a 'glass body would be cheaper to start with.

brianj5600 · Mar 24, 2006

Sundance said:
Great idea, but I see alot of flaws in the design!

Care to share? Steering looks like there is not enough travel for the long looking steering arms on the spindles.

Sundance · Mar 24, 2006

brianj5600 said:
Care to share? Steering looks like there is not enough travel for the long looking steering arms on the spindles.

Well, to note a few problems;

The front swaybar looks like it may have ground clearence issues?

The upper A-arm heim joints are a little smaller then I would like, and the fact that every suspension point is solid would suck for a street car.

The worst thing I see is the upper and lower rear shock mounts are single sheer and stick way out. They look way weak.

The rear suspension is a satchel link four bar setup. If I was going to go to that much trouble to make a chassis like that I'd use a three link, or a properly designed parallel four link.

The rack and pinion input shaft looks like it would be a pain but other wise the nice long lower a-arms look good.

Good point about the spindle arms...guess its about on par with TCP stuff that everyone is gonzo about.

65ShelbyClone · Mar 25, 2006

Man, I can't use it.

It says I have to cut off my front torque boxes first, but I don't have front torque boxes...

Other than that, I can't help but wonder how hard it really is to put a full frame under a unibody car.

10secgoal · Mar 25, 2006

If it functions good, seems damn good to me. Basically a built rear, and MII front end, and full frame for only 3k ? Gonna spend that on the MII

mtbdoc · Mar 25, 2006

10secgoal said:
If it functions good, seems damn good to me. Basically a built rear, and MII front end, and full frame for only 3k ? Gonna spend that on the MII

It's not going anywhere near $3000!!! Notice the 'reserve not met'? That WOULD be a great price, no doubt. I'd look towards adapting it for an earlier model [likely do the TCP-type push-the-fender-sheetmetal-out trick].

mtbdoc · Mar 25, 2006

Sundance said:
Well, to note a few problems;

The front swaybar looks like it may have ground clearence issues?

The upper A-arm heim joints are a little smaller then I would like, and the fact that every suspension point is solid would suck for a street car.

The worst thing I see is the upper and lower rear shock mounts are single sheer and stick way out. They look way weak.

The rear suspension is a satchel link four bar setup. If I was going to go to that much trouble to make a chassis like that I'd use a three link, or a properly designed parallel four link.

The rack and pinion input shaft looks like it would be a pain but other wise the nice long lower a-arms look good.

Good point about the spindle arms...guess its about on par with TCP stuff that everyone is gonzo about.

Thanks for the tutoring! Helpful to read and then look at the pics.

10secgoal · Mar 25, 2006

Hehe, didn't even look that the reserve wasn't met.

kmterrill · Mar 25, 2006

Sundance said:
The rear suspension is a satchel link four bar setup. If I was going to go to that much trouble to make a chassis like that I'd use a three link, or a properly designed parallel four link.

A question. I thought the Satchel was better since it got rid of the Panhard bar?

brianj5600 · Mar 25, 2006

I thought a satchell link angled the lower bars? I thought that is a triangulated four link.

Sundance · Mar 25, 2006

kmterrill said:
A question. I thought the Satchel was better since it got rid of the Panhard bar?

That is the reason a Satchel is inferior, because it does not have a Panhard or Watts. With the additional lateral link you can adjust the rear roll center.

It could be argued that a Satchel link suspension could be made to do the same, but a Panhard would allow more adjustment and be easier.

kmterrill · Mar 25, 2006

Sundance said:
That is the reason a Satchel is inferior, because it does not have a Panhard or Watts. With the additional lateral link you can adjust the rear roll center.

It could be argued that a Satchel link suspension could be made to do the same, but a Panhard would allow more adjustment and be easier.

But by adding a watts or panhard bar you're just adding weight to the car? How much adjustment do you need on a properly designed suspension?

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