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ATTN: Late 07 and all 08 drivers

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Hoboattacker

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You guys have updated spark plugs. You DO NOT have to worry about your spark plug breaking off and falling into the head.

More info: http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106090

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Mike@Livernois said:
Hi Guys, sorry saw this thread late.

The revised plug is for warranty reasons and pretty much nothing more to my knowledge from what I have heard from talking to Ford engineers. The problem as referenced in the TSB that was posted is mostly an issue with the 5.4 engines. But because the castings are the same between both 4.6 engines and 5.4 engines the new design will carry forward on all the castings. The issue is that carbon builds up between the small space between the plug shaft and the hole that it goes through. This results in either stripping the threads or breaking spark plugs and having part of the plug stuck in the head.

So the castings are revised to fix this. The spark plug threads now go all the way to the chamber to eliminate this issue. There is also a change to the valve cover rail and corresponding valve cover. This change is a reduction in the amount of bolts that hold the covers down. This means that only new style heads fit the new style valve covers. The covers are supposedly slightly thicker and have some additional ribbing. I believe this is for NVH reasons.

The 2005-2006 and most of the 2007 cars have the early style valve covers and spark plugs to my knowledge. Only the late 2007 and 2008 cars have the new style plugs and valve covers. This is causing us a bit of a headache now because we now will have to carry two styles of head castings to be sure we have coverage. It will also mean that we will need to know what style head is currently on the engine if you are upgrading to our CNC ported heads because we will need to make sure you get the right castings that way everything is compatible. Currently we are just starting to see the new style castings but it is rare still at this point. In most cases because the heads are so new there are not a lot of them out there for us to purchase as compared to the older style. The only positive thing out of this is that there is no performance difference between the castings. The change in spark plug style does not cause any gain or loss in combustion effciency or power.

If anybody is interested in more info or anything just let me know.

Thanks

Mike Schropp
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New Style vs. Old Style (new on top, old on bottom):
 
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I'll pull a plug this weekend to see if this is true.
Dan
 
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Let us know. From what I hear it is sorta spotty on the late 07's but all 08's should have the new plug style.
 
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This is popping up around a lot of boards lately. I do know of 08's that have the old style plug. One of them is located in this thread:

http://s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4984
 
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What surprises me is that they changed the head casting instead coming out with a one-piece plug...
 
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There are one piece plugs available. www.championsparkplugs.com is one site to buy them from. They are pricey at $19 dollars though.

Also, from that other thread, it seems that unless you car has a BUILD DATE of 2008, you may not have the new spark plug.
 
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I am curious now. My 07 has only 10 bolts on the valve covers but my build date shows to be 12/06. This seems this car would be considered a 2006 but I do see a big 07 on the engine. I will pull a plug this weekend since I only have 4k miles so should not break, finger crossed, to check which type of plug I have.
 
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are v-6ers involved with this?????
 

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Seems to me that someone from Ford should be able to give a production date for the change over. Also, is there any other way to tell without actually pulling a plug. Can anyone get an '08 and an earlier/old style year side by side to compare for tell tale signs of the change?
 
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FFR snakeman said:
are v-6ers involved with this?????
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No, it's only the 3V heads that have this problem, to my knowledge.
Dan
 
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Satin07Stang said:
I am curious now. My 07 has only 10 bolts on the valve covers but my build date shows to be 12/06. This seems this car would be considered a 2006 but I do see a big 07 on the engine. I will pull a plug this weekend since I only have 4k miles so should not break, finger crossed, to check which type of plug I have.
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You would most likely have the older style 2 piece plugs. It seems that most of the cars built in the year 08 are the new style plug.
 
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