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Was planning on doing this install on the 2008 GT in the coming days. Getting a Z1 and it will be upgraded to a Z3 by swapping the HD in the unit. (HIGHLY Recommended! I have a Z1 converted to the Z3 in my truck right now and I love it!)

I have a couple of questions for those that may have already made the install...

1 - I was wondering about the wire harness for the car. I have seen two versions out there. One for about $10 and one for about $100. The expensive unit is a PAC unit and is supposedly complete. My question is do I need it. I have a Shaker 500 now.

2 - Reverse camera. Has anyone installed it? I have one in the Excursion because it's a pain to see out the back (particularly low area) of "the bus". However, I was considering it on the GT b/c the view out of the rear is not ideal. If you have..... where did you mount it?

3 - Not as critical..... however.... Did you connect the Auxiliary port in the center console? I would imagine it's covered in the wire harness but I'd like to know.

4 - Anything you think I need to know?
 
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Nobody has any info?
 

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Moved to S197 section for some replies.
 

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somebody here did a big writeup on this in great detail use the search feature cuz i cant remember who. i know you will need the metra harness which was about $50 and you will need a voltage regulator for the factory amps (if you plan on keeping them)
 
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http://forums.stangnet.com/731487-avic-d3-installed-lots-pictures.html

I installed the D3 with the Shaker 1000.. You probably need to install the voltage regulator even for the Shaker 500.

Call Crutchfield regarding your harness. Or check out avic411.com.

I got the BOYO backup camera from eBay- about $100 and it has been great for over a year now. I mounted mine on the license plate. Because my car has tinted windows, it really comes in handy. And I drive my car.. over 13000 miles.. so it has held up quite well.

As far as the AUX port, no, I did not connect it. The D3 has one on the front of the unit anyway. I did, however, run the iPod cable into the center console. Once you have full control of your iPod through the headunit, an AUX input is worthless.

Any questions, PM me.

 
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Thanks guys! I was shocked that nobody had answered anything....... thanks for moving it..

I am a member on Avic 411. I've gotten some great info there.

I saw the D3 install..... I think that was on Avic411 also....... in any event it was definately helpful.

I am installing a Z3 (well actually a Z1 with the drive upgrade.... the same thing). I will likely be holding off on the backup camera for now. The unit will go in with the Bluetooth, XM (with XM Traffic), and the Ipod interface.

I have both Metra harnesses. One for the Subs on the Shaker and the other for the rest of the cables. I also have the voltage regulator. I will be soldering the harness to the Pioneer wires before I even do the install..... Mush easier to do that in the AC, indoors! LOL.

Given the limited info I have seen (really just the one you showed me) I will try to photograph the install down to the wire harness and wire locations and colors on the Mustang side. Hopefully I can help a few folks out.

I do have one question....... Does anyone know if the VSS (speed) wire is available in the dash? Most places I have read say the VSS wire is at the PCM in the engine compartment, on the passenger side. I was hoping that may have changed.
 

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1965coupe said:
http://forums.stangnet.com/731487-avic-d3-installed-lots-pictures.html
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I added this thread to the S197 sticky:
http://forums.stangnet.com/736018-u...s-tires-exhaust-how-etc-all-covered-here.html
 
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timeless2 said:
I added this thread to the S197 sticky:
http://forums.stangnet.com/736018-u...s-tires-exhaust-how-etc-all-covered-here.html
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Awesome!
 
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luisv said:
I will likely be holding off on the backup camera for now. The unit will go in with the Bluetooth, XM (with XM Traffic), and the Ipod interface.


I do have one question....... Does anyone know if the VSS (speed) wire is available in the dash? Most places I have read say the VSS wire is at the PCM in the engine compartment, on the passenger side. I was hoping that may have changed.
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I would do it all now.. While you have the car ripped apart, it's much easier.

I did not connect the VSS wire on mine.. From what I have read, it's not that important, and doesn't affect the overall performance of the unit (end the D3 even has gauges)..

If you do decide to connect the wire, it is in the engine bay.
 

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luisv said:
Thanks guys! I was shocked that nobody had answered anything....... thanks for moving it..

I am a member on Avic 411. I've gotten some great info there.

I saw the D3 install..... I think that was on Avic411 also....... in any event it was definately helpful.

I am installing a Z3 (well actually a Z1 with the drive upgrade.... the same thing). I will likely be holding off on the backup camera for now. The unit will go in with the Bluetooth, XM (with XM Traffic), and the Ipod interface.

I have both Metra harnesses. One for the Subs on the Shaker and the other for the rest of the cables. I also have the voltage regulator. I will be soldering the harness to the Pioneer wires before I even do the install..... Mush easier to do that in the AC, indoors! LOL.

Given the limited info I have seen (really just the one you showed me) I will try to photograph the install down to the wire harness and wire locations and colors on the Mustang side. Hopefully I can help a few folks out.

I do have one question....... Does anyone know if the VSS (speed) wire is available in the dash? Most places I have read say the VSS wire is at the PCM in the engine compartment, on the passenger side. I was hoping that may have changed.
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Just had to brag, didn't you.

I did that too, but I did it to stay in the heat lol. It's much easier to solder it all together at the kitchen table.
 
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OK.......OK....... I did not quite mean it that way...... but it is going to be 85 today..... it's Miami. I turn the heater on twice a year for about 45 minutes or so. Just to make sure it still works..... lol.
 

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Luis, you will have to go to the pcm for VSS, it's not worth the effort honestly as all connecting it will get you is hybrid which doesn't do anything noticeable outside of the 3d map view.

You will also have to grab dimmer wire off the headlamp switch. There is none behind the radio as the oem unit only runs the flat standard green lighting at constant voltage.

I too have an upgraded z-1 in my DD, my hd drive was through Garret on 411. Super good guy.
 

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Emay said:
Luis, you will have to go to the pcm for VSS, it's not worth the effort honestly as all connecting it will get you is hybrid which doesn't do anything noticeable outside of the 3d map view.

You will also have to grab dimmer wire off the headlamp switch. There is none behind the radio as the oem unit only runs the flat standard green lighting at constant voltage.

I too have an upgraded z-1 in my DD, my hd drive was through Garret on 411. Super good guy.
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My '07 has an unused harness in the center console with 12v, switched 12v, dimmer 12v, and one other that wasn't obvious. I tapped into this harness for a couple purposes including the dimmer 12v for my Cobalt gauges and switched 12v for my hard-wired radar detector.
 

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klaw said:
My '07 has an unused harness in the center console with 12v, switched 12v, dimmer 12v, and one other that wasn't obvious. I tapped into this harness for a couple purposes including the dimmer 12v for my Cobalt gauges and switched 12v for my hard-wired radar detector.
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I have an 07 as well and that auxillary harness you mention doesn't carry power in my car. It routes to the passenger side of the car and connects to nothing with a male 3 prong plug wrapped up in loom just prior to the large firewall grommet.

Wonder what makes the variation.
 
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As promised........ I will be putting up my steps and some photos.

Nothing very different from what others have done but it will at least give another perspective and something neat I did with the microphone........

As for the third harness/connector...... I too have it. I believe it is a digital input into the radio that controls brightness and speed volume adjustments.... in short, not power and/or accessory power....... Since it did not have power I simply ignored it though.......
 
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OK.... as promised here are some details as to what I did on the install. I am not going to go step by step on the whole thing becuase that has been done. I just gave a few extra details and some things I did differently.

As a recap, the install is for a Pioneer AVIC Z series head unit into a 2008 Mustang GT. The unit is actually an AVIC Z1 that was upgraded to the AVIC Z3 with a swap of the harddrive. This give me the most updated maps and options. This information will work with any AVIC Z1, Z2 or Z3 as the wiring is identical.

Also, I wanted to mention I was going from the Shaker 500 Stereo to the Pioneer.

I'll start with the single biggest question I see everywhere..... the wiring harnesses. If you have the Shaker 500 or 1000 you will need the following:

Metra Ford Harness PN/ 70-5521: This is actually two connectors. One is the main power and speakers (more on that in a second) and the second is for the subs and related amps that are part of the Shaker system. You can check out their site at Metra Electronics.

The harness is below. Of note, The red, orange/white and blue cable are NOT FUNCTIONAL on the car side of the harness. In other words, they are not 12V switches, as needed by the Pioneer. In short, you need to hardwire those separately. Also, I am a firm believer of soldering connections. I have had too many connectors come loose in cars that I just avoid it all together and solder all my connections.



Below is the sub-connection that is wired up to the Metra harness. This is where the Voltage regulator comes into play. The regulator takes the any voltage up to 35V on the input and sends out 5V on the output. This is the voltage used by Ford to switch the amps on that power the subs. The input side of the regulator comes from the Pioneer as a 12V output. The output of the regulator goes to the Blue wires on the Metra Harness. These blue wires need to be 5V output. Hence the need for the regulator. By doing this you avoid a "pop" when you turn on the radio. The RCA plugs are the L & R output for the subs. I heat shrink the connectors to avoid them coming loose. Again.... overkill, but I guarantee I will never lose a connection.



These two harnesses are pretty straight forward. You simply match the colors coming from the Pioneers' connectors to the Metra Harnesses. Basically, it's the speakers (8 Wires) and the constant 12V power (Yellow) and ground (Black). There are two exceptions to that. The Swithed Accessory wire and the LIghting / Illumination wire.

The switched power is taken from the passenger side kick panel fuse box. This is added with a "Add-A-Circuit" connector. In the 05 to 08 Mustangs you need the Mini Fuse type. You can get them at just about any auto parts store. I used the fuse that powers the wipers. Yes I solder to the wire here as well on the "Add-A-Circuit". This wire is REQUIRED to have the Pioneer power on when the ignition is turned.

The lighting / illumination wire is REQUIRED if you want the display to switch from Day to Night operation when the lights are truned on. I recommend you go to the headlight switch on the drivers side. The wire to tap into is Beige / White. This is the wire that goes hot when the PARKING LIGHTS are turned on. The reason for this is simple. When you use the headlight wire, you will have the display go to day mode when you hit the highbeams. Trust me...... if you have tints in the car, you want the day/night option to work. The display is very bright on the Pioneer and will make it harder to see out at night. Not to mention, everybody that drives by you will see the GPS unit......

VSS Wire. Some ssay it's not worth it....... I disagree...... I think it makes the unit more accurate and helps when you have weak or no GPS signal. I ran it. Frankly, it was one of the easiest parts of the install.

The VSS wire is not in the cabin on the 2008 Mustang. You have to go to the engine bay PCM to get it. That unit sits on the passenger side, hanging from the Fuse Box right behind the headlight. The connector you need is below.



The connector and how I tapped into the wire. To get to the wire, I simply cut into the insulation CAREFULLY so as to not cut the wire. I then expose about 1/2 inch. I wrap the wire I will run back to the radio around it and solder it. I then tape it all back up just as it came from factory.



This is a shot of how I ran the wire back to the firewall. In order to get back into the engine compartment, I used the path the bright orange radio antenna uses. It has a rubber grommet. To make your life very easy, remove the battery and the battery mount/support/box. You will then see it very easily. I took a bit longer but simply ran a wire hanger through the grommet carefully until I could see it in the engine bay. Not the easiest thing in the world to do, but I figure it took about as long as it would take to get the battery out. I ran it back in a split wire cover / loom and taped it. Unless I told you it was there, I doubt anyone would ever notice it was run.



OK....... Now the last thing I did that I think can help. I wanted to make this look as clean as possible and did not want a microphone hanging in the windshield. I decided to mount it between the maplights.

What I did was get a 3/8" rubber grommet. You can pick some up at just about any Home Depot. The 3/8" measurement is the inside diameter of the grommet. The microphone for the Pioneer is just over that. In short, the grommet will be a tight fit and will be plenty to hold up the microphone. The outside diameter of the grommet is 1/2". In order for it to fit well I had to open the hole a tiny bit more than the 1/2". I did it with a dremmel (high speed rotary) tool. I then slip the grommet in place and squeezed the mic in. Given the space on the map light plastic, I found it easier to feed the wire through and then squeeze the microphone in from the bottom up. ie. wire then the back end of the mic.

Where I drilled and the finished look for the microphone are below....



The final look:



Everything with the exception of the illumination wire (mentioned above) comes in from the passenger side. That means the VSS wire, the Accessory 12V Switched wire, the Microphone, the XM Antenna, and the GPS antenna all come to the radio from the passenger side. All of them are tie wrapped to a bundle of wires already coming across under the dash above the passenger foot well.

Hope this helps........ If there is anything else....... just ask....
 
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