Bad Stang day

SonDogg

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*Note, if this belongs in talk, I apolagize and could a mod please move this thread. Thank you.

Well all, I just thought I'd drop in to share my bad day with my Mustang. Just to give some backround info, I'm a student at the College of Charleston in Charleston South Carolina. My family lives in Fort Myers Florida, so obviously I have a bit of a drive from SC to FL (about 600ish miles, give or take). I've been driving my 98 Mustang GT back and forth now for a couple of years. I bought the car used in 2001 with 24,000 miles. She now has 58,000 miles, almost all freeway miles. It's been a great car, and I've never had any repair problems save the time I went to the dealer about 3 months ago to get the oil changed, and all my 50,000 mile check up stuff. Overall my bill came to about 1800 bucks for new tires, breaks, fluids, fuel filter, etc.

Today I took my car in for an oil change and to have the car inspected for the 60,000 mile check up (I took the Stang in at about 55k miles the previous time, the time where all the work was done). I told them that I was having a problem with the check engine light coming on every now and then and that there was a kind of light whistle coming from the rear of the car whenever I was going about 1700 rpm regardless of speed. They said they'd check it out and give me a call back. Well I got the call today at about noon and the service guy on the phone told me that my rear end needed to be totally rebuilt. He said the fluid had all leaked out of the housing and it was metal rubbing against metal and that the rear end was basically destroyed. This was news to me because it had been making the sound for about 10,000 miles but I never thought anything of it because I just figuered it was the fuel pump, I never had any problems with driving the car. He also said that the check engine light was coming on because of bad o2 sensors. Overall he said that it was going to cost me another 2 grand to do all of this work. Overall, I am not very happy because I had the car in not even 4 months ago and told the service men that I drive long distances and I needed all fluids checked and the car needed to be in perfect condition. I think I'm going to raise some hell when I go to pick up the car, but I don't have much leverage because the service man that I used to go to no longer works at the dealer, so I can't go to him to complain. We'll see, but I understand that there really isin't much I can say, I work on computers and I know how it is to fix a problem and then something else pops up and the customer blames the service people regardless. I guess I'm just a little mystafied how something like this could be missed, and I think part of the problem that I'm unhappy is that I'm going to be spending another 2 grand on top of the near 2 grand I spent a few months ago. Not really any questions being posted here, just thought I'd vent and see what others have to say. I guess the lesson here is if you start thinking something is wrong with your car, it needs to get looked at.
 
If you pay 2k for a rebuild on the rearend and some new o2 sensors your insane.

I haven't had to replace an o2's on mine but you should be able to get some good Bosch ones for around $75 each give or take a few bucks. Replace them yourself, it's easy.

Buy some gears. $150 depending on what you get
Buy a used rearend from a slavega yard and rebuild it have it conditioned and installed.

To do it all you're probably looking at half of what they want to charge you.
 
I think there are rear-end shops that can fix your car pretty cheaply. I know there is one here in Gulfport where the back yard is just littered with complete rear-axle assemblies, and really all they do are straight rear axles. You need to find a shop like that.

Get some shorter gears while you're at it. 4.10-to-1 might be a bit much on the freeway, but 3.55-to-1 or 3.73-to-1 would probably be OK. Someone with a pre-1999 GT can say more about the specific ratios than I can. There's really no extra cost in changing the ratio in light of what you're already going to be buying.

The O2 sensor is easy, I think. It shouldn't cost much.
 
I agree with everything said sofar. If you're willing to spend an hour or so combing your local Yellow pages for trans shops, you can easily save a grand over what the freaking dealer charges. Never take the dealer cost estimate as verbatim. Dealers are allwasy the MOST expensive way to get it done.

BTW the O2 sensors are STUPID easy to do yourself. Trust me on this. If you feel uncomfortable, invest in a Haynes manual for your car and read how to do it.

I work in the IT field also, and by now you've learned that some ppl that know stuff about PC's make everything sound really freakin hard, to impress other people, when you and I both know how easy the stuff is if youre willing to learn.

Its the same thing with cars man, don't be afraid of it. Jump in with both hands and fix your baby :)
 
Snarf said:
I work in the IT field also, and by now you've learned that some ppl that know stuff about PC's make everything sound really freakin hard, to impress other people, when you and I both know how easy the stuff is if youre willing to learn.

I know it is somewhat off-topic, but I am a Software Developer and have seem the exact same thing. I have often said that a decent programmer will spot all the reasons something won't work, but a better programmer will mentally simplify the problem right away. I work with a guy who is not bad technically, but who instantly sees 5 or 10 problems with any new system we discuss. He's not a bad person to have around, but in terms of innovation he falls short at times.

I see the same thing in car design (as well as maintenance). I don't mean to offend, but cars like the '03 Cobra seem like the result of mediocre design... too many people with too little intelligence and will-power throwing feature after feature at a '79 Fairmont until it becomes the automotive equivalent of Windows XP. Both products exhibit all of the bad aspects of a flawed development process; they are complex answers to simple questions. I guess that's why I drive a '01 GT (even though I could afford something faster) and use Windows 98 at home (even though I have a Computer Science degree and manage large software projects).
 
never get your car fixed at a dealership if it isn't under warranty. they charge and insane amount for labor. if your pumpkin had no fluid, you probably would have locked up the rear end. i think that they are exageratting the problem in an effort to get you to spend more money.
 
DBMSTNG said:
never get your car fixed at a dealership if it isn't under warranty. they charge and insane amount for labor. if your pumpkin had no fluid, you probably would have locked up the rear end. i think that they are exageratting the problem in an effort to get you to spend more money.

That's what I'm thinking about the rear end, I mean if there was no fluid back there, wouldn't the gears have locked up? I didn't notice anything about it except for the whistling sound. I'm going in tomorrow morning to have a chat with the service manager because I know this is some bull****. The only reason it goes to a dealer is because my parents have owned Toyota's and never had any problems taking their cars to the dealers. You all know how parents feel about stuff like that. Also, does anyone know if they do any maitnance on the rear end during the 50,000 mile check up? I was just wondering because if they do then I can raise a little bit of hell tomorrow. Thanks in advance guys.
 
Best bet is to check your routine maintanence manuel (if you still have it, if not go online) and see if the rear diff was part of these checks....and if it was a 5,000 mile proximity between the service then the rearend diagnosis, you might have a bit of leverage with these savages...i agree, if you have to pay for it to get done, don't go to the dealer....but remember gears are a very precise thing and it doesn't take much to screw them up. Go to a reputable rearend shop, instead of a general mechanic. Good Luck, i feel your pain, bro.