Bluetooth

Run0740 · Oct 29, 2004

I ordered my 2005 Mustang GT Premium in Sonic Blue with light graphite interior. I can't wait to get my hands on the vehicle.

Question: The last page of the brochure shows dealer installed options. I am interested in the bluetooth option for handsfree cell phone operation with a compatible phone. My dealer is offering it for $500. Does anyone have a picture they could post (Not a close up)?

What about the special review mirror? Has anyone ordered this? What did it cost?

GT-03 · Oct 29, 2004

Run0740 said:
Question: The last page of the brochure shows dealer installed options. I am interested in the bluetooth option for handsfree cell phone operation with a compatible phone. My dealer is offering it for $500. Does anyone have a picture they could post (Not a close up)?

Ford calls their bluetooth "handsfree" phone hardware Mobile-Ease.

I can't find any pictures. All references to Mobile-Ease have "no image available".

ryanrule · Oct 29, 2004

well its just an antenna and some electronics. there nothing to see

Run0740 · Oct 29, 2004

Where do they mount it? The brochure has a picture of a controller. I can't figure out where they would place it.

GT-03 · Oct 29, 2004

Run0740 said:
Where do they mount it? The brochure has a picture of a controller. I can't figure out where they would place it.

You are right. There is a controller. The image I have seen (but can't find again) showed it being mounted onto the center console near the shift. It isn't "built-in", but rather "tacked-on".

ice1874193 · Oct 29, 2004

i wouldnt imagine an antenna for bluetooth...that doesnt really make any sense as they can fit the tx/rx on a quarter

MRaburn · Oct 29, 2004

The picture you are thinking of is from the 05 Brochure. There is an image of the unit mounted on the dash to control the Bluetooth. Just a small keypad.

65conv50 · Nov 2, 2004

ice1874193 said:
i wouldnt imagine an antenna for bluetooth...that doesnt really make any sense as they can fit the tx/rx on a quarter

I would imagine they mean an external antenna, for longer range. For the cell phone, not the bluetooth link. Antenna size is dictated by the physics of the frequency in use. Small electronics have no bearing on that.

GT-03 · Nov 2, 2004

65conv50 said:
I would imagine they mean an external antenna, for longer range. For the cell phone, not the bluetooth link.

The idea of bluetooth is a wireless link. That means no wires at all, including an antenna wire. This allows one to keep their cell phone in their pocket, purse, briefcase, lunch box, etc, while in their car.

IMHO, it would be rather odd if Mobile-Ease included an external antenna for the cell phone.

ice1874193 · Nov 2, 2004

makes sense to me. i use my bt phone to connect my laptop on the road. the bluetooth adapter is tiny and connects via USB - no wires, no antenna, works up to 30 ft. for the older BT protocol and I believe 300ft in the newest

KTP Dave · Nov 2, 2004

Will this work on a 2004 Mustang is the question...

GT-03 · Nov 3, 2004

KTP Dave said:
Will this work on a 2004 Mustang is the question...

That is the question I have been trying to answer lately myself.

Two things have me thinking it does.

Mobile-Ease has been supported on some Lincoln and Mercury models for a couple of years now. The question is, just how alike is the in-dash CD-6 head unit on those models, to the one used on 2003 and 2004 Mustangs with the Mach 460 option?

The other thing, is the telephone headset icon on the mute button. I can't think of any reason there would be a button on the head unit with such an obvious phone icon unless someone was planning on supporting a phone feature.

If you check out Ford parts, there is only one P/N for the Mobile-Ease electronics. However, there are several different interconnect cables offered. Which one, if any, is the one that will successfully plug into the back of the Mustang's CD-6 head unit???

I wish I knew a friendly Ford parts dude, who would let me order the stuff to try it, and would let me return it if it doesn't fit/work. Of course, if it worked, I would gladly keep it.

KTP Dave · Nov 4, 2004

I keep looking on Ebay for the expensive part with no luck.

datalink7 · Nov 4, 2004

I have a bluetooth headset that works just fine with my phone that I got for $60.

Now, I imagine it would be nice to have something integrated with the car, but is it really worth the $440 markup?

RisingForce · Nov 4, 2004

I have a Bluetooth phone and the bluetooth reciever in my Pacifica, and it rocks,
I will add it to my 05 Stang as soon as I have my income tax return, because bluetooth blows the headset away,,,,

65conv50 · Nov 5, 2004

GT-03 said:
The idea of bluetooth is a wireless link. That means no wires at all, including an antenna wire. This allows one to keep their cell phone in their pocket, purse, briefcase, lunch box, etc, while in their car.

IMHO, it would be rather odd if Mobile-Ease included an external antenna for the cell phone.

If it is a wireless link, then it MUST have an antenna. Radio cannot go without an antenna. Bluetooth puts the antenna out of sight - but it has to be there, or it isn't wireless. (An antenna doesn't have to be wire - it can be a rod, or it can be a printed circuit.) Bluetooth, then, is a short range link from the cellphone to the accessory (in this case the accessory is the Mustang). An antenna outside the car would greatly extend the range of the cellphone, but I doubt if Bluetooth would be able to handle that part of the radio link, since it is designed for the link between the cellphone and the accessory, not the link between the cellphone and the service provider. Maybe this diagram will make it clearer:

[accessory]#~~radio link~~#[cellphone]#~~~radio link~~~#[celltower]-wire--phone system

The link to the left of the cellphone is Bluetooth. Each "#" is an antenna. They HAVE to be there - basic physics.

My Motorola handsfree system has a dash-mounted holder for the cellphone, with a cable to the antenna outside the car. Greatly extends the range whenever I'm outside a metro area, as well as making it handsfree inside the car. I believe you are right, Bluetooth would not have that connection for an external antenna. It is for convenience in the car, not for extending the range of the cellphone.

GT-03 · Nov 8, 2004

65conv50 said:
If it is a wireless link, then it MUST have an antenna. Radio cannot go without an antenna.

I disagree. It doesn't need to have an external antenna. Bluetooth does not need an external antenna mounted on the outside of the vehicle to work. It does not need a wire running from the bluetooth device, to any outside antenna.

I think you are confusing the cell phone to tower link, with the bluetooth to bluetooth link.

ryanrule · Nov 8, 2004

GT-03 said:
I disagree. It doesn't need to have an external antenna. Bluetooth does not need an external antenna mounted on the outside of the vehicle to work. It does not need a wire running from the bluetooth device, to any outside antenna.

I think you are confusing the cell phone to tower link, with the bluetooth to bluetooth link.

technically there is an antenna, but usually it is just on the chip or contained within the bluetooth transeiver

GT-03 · Nov 8, 2004

ryanrule said:
technically there is an antenna, but usually it is just on the chip or contained within the bluetooth transeiver

True, but we were talking about an antenna being mounted on the outside of the car, and a wire needing to be run from that outside antenna to the cell phone. The point I made originally was just that it kind of defeats the purpose of having a wireless bluetooth "connection" between a car's audio system and a cell phone, if one still needs to run an antenna wire to the cell phone to make the bluetooth "connection" work.

This all started due to the speculation that the there is an outside antenna included with Mobile-Ease. If there was such an outside antenna, it (1) would require an antenna wire to be run to the cell phone itself which kind of ruins the "wireless" feature and (2) it would be to support the cell phone's cell signal and not to support the bluetooth signal itself.

My appologies. I really didn't want to get this into being so technical.

65conv50 · Nov 12, 2004

GT-03 said:
I disagree. It doesn't need to have an external antenna. Bluetooth does not need an external antenna mounted on the outside of the vehicle to work. It does not need a wire running from the bluetooth device, to any outside antenna.

I think you are confusing the cell phone to tower link, with the bluetooth to bluetooth link.

No confusion here. I did not say external antenna. I specifically mentioned that it can be on the circuit board. It either has a wire or an antenna - the data cannot be transferred otherwise. Basic physics, Bluetooth did not revise laws of physics. Bluetooth has an antenna - it has to - there is no wire. It is inside the equipment housing, it may even be hard to find if you open it up - but it is there.

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