After reading the post below about the Ranger/Mustang I considered not posting! lol. However I got such a good deal on the new truck I thought I'd share the news! Don't be afraid to just say no at the dealerships, and don't back off on fending off some of those (extra fee's). It can be done! Actually to the dealerships credit their was no real scraping it out. I made myself pretty clear up front, only had to go back & forth twice to fix a few #'s, Salesman was good, salemanager (aka the closer) came out fast and hard, I put my cards on the table he put his and the deal was done. Even the up sale in the finance office went smoothly! (no finance required) and I said no to all the up selling offers for those not so little extras! all done in less then 2hrs