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HistoricMustang

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#1
How to do it on a budget is underway: www.historicmustang.com/tech.html .

The magazines are gonna hate this deal, but heck, I don't get a single penny for doing this stuff and the old girl has the record to back up what is put up at "HistoricMustang.com Budget Performance". The top ranking early model in the entire country last season (2003) for the "Extreme" division of NASA.

What a ride and enjoy the "free" tech details. I will get the other information up just as soon as possible. Being a "shift" worker only allows me a few minutes a day to try and help you guys fight all the magazine stuff.

Boy is this going to be unpopular!

HistoricMustang
www.hsitoricmustang.com
 
#2
looks good, but I only get one page...is that cause you're not done yet?

I would also be careful in "slamming" the tubular control arm fans. While I understand your desire to keep things both fuctional and on the inexpensive side of the spectrum, I live on the otherside.

While I prefer my methods of building a car, I appreciate the way you have gone about building yours.

It's a two way street where we can all live happily together.

87
 
#3
Front Suspension Geometry

Just to add to your post, the reason individuals switch to modified UCA's and LCA's (whether it's GW, TCP, Maier, or CobraAutomotive) is to correct well
documented front suspension geometry issues that still exist even after having performed the "Shelby Drop". These arms coupled with modern day
suspension spec's and a bump steer alignment dramatically improve the high
speed stability of vintage mustangs. If cost is your object, one should look at the work performed by Opentracker and others on www.Vintage-Mustang.com. They have modifed factory UCA's and LCA's, spring perches and neat Watts link setup.

The times have changed alot since the mid-sixties and so has our knowledge of suspension dymanmics. Going fast is about fine tuning.

Just a school yard bully.
 
#5
Guys, don't take this the wrong way, but I am not interested in complaints or even suggestions. If you do not like the format don't read the stuff. This is not going to be an on going dialog about a few more bucks here and a few more bucks there will do this or will do that. If you been doing competition laps for maybe 10 years then PM me and we will discuss, otherwise I am not interested in all the hype put out by the mags or people trying to sell you stuff.

No hard feelings, I just want to get the ground rules out early. This is not a commentary. It is my opinion on how to do it on a budget.

Pretty simple?

And yes, there is only one page so far. I have a full time job to help support all the free stuff that is being put up. So again, no complaints.

HistoricMustang
www.historicmustang.com
 
#8
dolfan87 said:
Edit: after further review, I have no comment.

87
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he's not getting an attitude. Henry's a good guy and knows how he likes his car set up, and some people on here are interested in it. Don't go to his site to argue with him.....he's not implying that his way is the best way to do it. He's just sharing his setup. If you don't like it, don't read it, same with any other website.

Peace :nice:
 
#9
No worries, that is why I edited my post and put "after further review."

It's a simple difference in opinions, and while I have not been competitive racing for ten years, I have been building these cars for 17 years.

Keep it cheap, keep it simple...that is one way to go...more power to ya.

87
 
#10
personally i'm somewhere in betweem stock and highly modified, i prefer to do stuff like opentracker and some others have done, homegrown versions of high dollar parts are truly the best of both worlds in my opinion. and before anyone starts flaming me, i haven't even been to historic's site and to be honest i don't plan on going there. his way is not the way i have planned for my car but neither is dolfan's. i prefer to modify my stock parts so that they are just as capable as the high dollar aftermarket stuff but almost as cheap as historic's stock parts. i just don't think we need to argue about it, some people do things one way some people do things another way. i have noticed that some people around here get their panties in a wad if someone has a different opinion about how to setup a car that differs just the slightest little bit from their own. i don't think it's called for around here, this is not the corner-carvers forum after all. i'm all for a good debate don't get me wrong but some people are just too sensitive and can't stand to be wrong or even think that someone else's setup could be just as fast as their own. everyone likes their setup a little different and some are more comfortable with a certain setup than another setup. as long as it is dependable and the setup you like that's what really counts. so i propose that if someone has a good setup and wants to share it feel free, but also explain what is that you like about that setup so everyone else here can decide if that's how they want to set their car up or if they would do something different. anyway sorry this was so long and i don't mean to rant or hijack the thread i just thing we all need to respect other's opinions and setups even if they don't like that setup themselves, however if you can't provide reasons why a certain setup works better than another one then maybe you shouldn't post about it, no stuff like "well that's just the way it works" or "i've been doing it like for years" or whatever. just reasons based in fact please. thanks you and carry on, at ease getlemen :spot:
 
#11
If you post and promote your sight on this forum, then you will get comments, complaints, disagreements, suggestions etc..
Forum:
b : a public meeting place for open discussion c : a medium (as a newspaper) of open discussion or expression of ideas

Just the way it is around here. I'll be glad when you get more pages, cause I'm interested in making my car handle better without spending a fortune. But not everyone is going to buy in, and you can't expect them to not express their opinion on a forum.

What I am installing on my car: Stiffer rear springs with one inch lowering blocks. Gas shocks and rear sway bar. 620lb front springs with one inch drop, gas shocks, 1" thick sway bar, poly bushings, export brace and monte carlo bar. Any suggestions for improvement? What about for steering response?
Thanks.
 
#12
Yeah, I have to say, while I totally appreciate and will likely find use for some budget upgrades, I find your attitude less than desirable. Perhaps next time you should contact a moderator momments before you post and request he lock it immediately after you are done so no one can reply. Your own little historic forum on stangnet, then only your opinion can be heard and you can pat yourself on the back all you want and taqlk about how accomplished you are and make us feel like ants bbeneath your feet.

Now don't take me the wrong way, but I think it takes alot of nerve to tell us "I am not interested in complaints or even suggestions. If you do not like the format don't read the stuff." when all you do is b:tch in the talk forum about any thread other than Mustangs. No one asks you to join, but low and behold here comes pinnochio sticking his nose into our business with his 2 bits. Lead by example and maybe we'll follow but don't be a hypocrite. :nonono:
 
#13
To be truthful I didn't read into Historic's comments that way. I read it as it doesn't matter what the comments are on his site, he didn't say not to make them. He just reserved the right not to listen or have to respond to them. Nothing harsh or judgemental, he just wanted to avoid any conflicts IMHO.

As to the site. I'm looking forward to the information and the reading. Thanks for your perspective Historic.
 
#14
Guys/Girls, thanks for the support and thanks for the PM's. Again, if I or my comments upset you please do not read my post or visit the site. I have nothing to gain from you going to the web page and in fact the site actually cost me money. I am simply trying to convey information that I have developed through the years (40 of them) with the Mustang. Keep in mind I had one when they were new!

With over 50,000 hits at the site, someone is interested in what is taking place and I do not answer to any sponsors so I put up what I think and I say what I think and if that offends you simply block me and the site out. With just a few minutes a day to post (I work a full time shift job) my comments are usually short and to the point and for that I will not apologize.

So please do not muddy up the water for those that are interested in simple set ups to make their early models perform.

I will not have any more dialog along these lines and for that I offer no apology. "Either enjoy or tune it out".

HistoricMustang
www.historicmustang.com
 
#15
historic, don't get me wrong i'm not trying to slam you or anything and i respect what you have done with your car. all i'm saying is that some people around here have a tendency to get their felings hurt or get upset if someone doesn't agree with them or their approach to how they have built their car (yes i was including you in that group but i was by no means trying to single you out, because you are not the only one) but i have noticed that you have a tendency to put other peoples setups down if they are not like your own, like i said in my previous post not everyone is comfortable with a certain setup and they may be more competitive with something different than what you or someone else has. if i am coming across as an a$$ i don't mean to, but i get a little tired of the bickering that goes on sometimes, i always try to post what has worked for me on certain things and tried to give the best explanation as to why or how it worked and i would expect everyone else on this board to do the same or at least try to anyway. my point is if your setup works for you, great i wouldn't expect you to change it, but please don't knock someone else's work as that setup may be the best for them or someone else who has similar car or driving style and if you wnat to post about how well your setup works or why someone else's wouldn't please explain your reasoning behind it and be able to back it up with good tech. that said if i have offended you or anyone else i apologize as that was not my intent. i never TRY to offend anyone here on this board as i hold most everyone here in the highest regard, but don't appreciate when other people go around offending all of the people i have grown very fond of posting with here over the last few years. thanks everyone for taking the time to read yet another one of my extremely long winded posts
 
#16
HistoricMustang said:
Again, if I or my comments upset you please do not read my post or visit the site.
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Hey that's fine by me, and sorry if I misunderstood anything, but I have to ask, is this a one way or two way street? Simply becasue I'd like to know I'm getting the same consideration you ask for yourself in return? You do have a habit of chiming in on threads you don't like or agree with just to request they get locked or to complain and that doesn't seem very fair to me. :shrug:
 
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