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[MyBlueOval]

Ok so if you were in Ford's position. You would rather pull a dealers business out from under them. Rather than fire the offending employee. Talk about leaving money on the table. This assumes that as many people that complain on here. Actually take it to Ford. I have seen many people on here complain. But I seriously doubt all of them took the time to lodge a complaint against Ford.

And again I ask. If the plant is running at full capacity. And has been since they started building them. Where would they magically get the capacity to build more cars? Parts shortage for the IUP aside. They were still building cars that did not have IUP.

I have never stated that it was any consumers fault. There is no blame to be had. Unless you want to blame Ford for designing too nice of a car. That attracts too many buyers. Then yes I suppose you can blame Ford. They did too good of a job on this new mustang. Darn what a shame that people want these cars.

I lodged a formal complaint with Ford customer care and communicated the exact sentiments I'm communicating here. I would like Ford to actually police their distribution network and make sure its customers are being treated properly. Independent or otherwise...do you think Walmart would keep buying product from a company that couldn't get inventory to its stores? Ford is producing too many V6 Mustangs in the 192,000 and not enough GTs. That's the problem. The AAI plant is capable of producing more than 192,000 cars. They're also producing 6 series Mazdas. In other words, their production schedules aren't optimized for demand.

 

[SVTdriver]

I lodged a formal complaint with Ford customer care and communicated the exact sentiments I'm communicating here. I would like Ford to actually police their distribution network and make sure its customers are being treated properly. Independent or otherwise...do you think Walmart would keep buying product from a company that couldn't get inventory to its stores? Ford is producing too many V6 Mustangs in the 192,000 and not enough GTs. That's the problem. The AAI plant is capable of producing more than 192,000 cars. They're also producing 6 series Mazdas. In other words, their production schedules aren't optimized for demand.

Ok so now you are saying they should stop production of another car entirely? Ok now they leave money on the table from all the Mazda buyers. And since I doubt either one of us can produce any real numbers to show how much demand for the Mazda6 there is. I doubt that either of us can accurately state how much production time needs to be spent on the Mazda.

Ok so Ford should stop producing the V6's model since you and the other enthusiasts want a gt? Believe me, I wish they were producing more gt's. But I am realistic about the facts. V6's are what sells more numbers than gt's. Look at mustang history. You will see that the V6 is the one that traditionally sells more volume. Like I said, I wish they were making more gt's. That way some of the people that have orders would get them. And I would be able to get my order in before I have to spec it out as an 06. I also realize that they are not going to raise the amount of gt's built. Since the motor is the same as the F-150. Which sells for higher profit and more volume. Again I wish it weren't true. But I also realize the reality of doing business.

 

[MyBlueOval]

Ok so now you are saying they should stop production of another car entirely? Ok now they leave money on the table from all the Mazda buyers. And since I doubt either one of us can produce any real numbers to show how much demand for the Mazda6 there is. I doubt that either of us can accurately state how much production time needs to be spent on the Mazda.

Ok so Ford should stop producing the V6's model since you and the other enthusiasts want a gt? Believe me, I wish they were producing more gt's. But I am realistic about the facts. V6's are what sells more numbers than gt's. Look at mustang history. You will see that the V6 is the one that traditionally sells more volume. Like I said, I wish they were making more gt's. That way some of the people that have orders would get them. And I would be able to get my order in before I have to spec it out as an 06. I also realize that they are not going to raise the amount of gt's built. Since the motor is the same as the F-150. Which sells for higher profit and more volume. Again I wish it weren't true. But I also realize the reality of doing business.

Did I say stop production...NO I did not. I was counteracting your claim that the plant is running at capacity. What I was trying to get at is that Ford could shift capacity if they'd planned better. They didn't so I guess 192k units is the max they can produce for Mustangs.

Should they focus on GT production? Yes, more then they are. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that many of the dealerships LIKE the fact that GTs are running short because they're pulling higher margins on each car. Most don't want to sell them for less and they'd like Ford to sandbag production for as long as possible until competitors start stealing away Mustang customers. That's going to happen if Ford can't bump GT production.

 

[damnisityellow]

Did I say stop production...NO I did not. I was counteracting your claim that the plant is running at capacity. What I was trying to get at is that Ford could shift capacity if they'd planned better. They didn't so I guess 192k units is the max they can produce for Mustangs.

Should they focus on GT production? Yes, more then they are. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that many of the dealerships LIKE the fact that GTs are running short because they're pulling higher margins on each car. Most don't want to sell them for less and they'd like Ford to sandbag production for as long as possible until competitors start stealing away Mustang customers. That's going to happen if Ford can't bump GT production.

I agree with you on this one blueoval. projected sales and demand are never accurate (look at GM's recent 1 billion dollar loss statement).

two points however= 192,000 for six months is 384,000 a year, not bad numbers. and yes I will admit I love the situation, I can sell these cars without much work and make good commissions. When the party is over,I will be back to working my butt off to make minimum commission on the "new mustang". Our sales have been off for the spring of 2005. The occasional mustang sale makes the difference whether I pay my bills lately. As with your career, if you get a windfall, you will gladly put it in the bank---------or do you play nice guy and say " I really don't want this money, here ya go, take it back. ??

 

[MyBlueOval]

I agree with you on this one blueoval. projected sales and demand are never accurate (look at GM's recent 1 billion dollar loss statement).

two points however= 192,000 for six months is 384,000 a year, not bad numbers. and yes I will admit I love the situation, I can sell these cars without much work and make good commissions. When the party is over,I will be back to working my butt off to make minimum commission on the "new mustang". Our sales have been off for the spring of 2005. The occasional mustang sale makes the difference whether I pay my bills lately. As with your career, if you get a windfall, you will gladly put it in the bank---------or do you play nice guy and say " I really don't want this money, here ya go, take it back. ??

Yellow, in all honesty I have given up incentives so that others could be rewarded and recognized for their effort. Some would call that naive or stupid, others would call it leadership.

I make a good living and there isn't really anything that I want that I can't buy. It seems my wants aren't as extravagant as my peers. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy when bonus time comes around and I see additional fruits for my labor. And no, I don't give the money back after the check has been cut. Too many of us take it for granted that it was only dumb luck that we were born in the USA instead of Bangladesh or Sudan. Chris Rock does a great routine on that very fact.

 

[migreyt gtconv]

the bottom line is that yes, they should be working on producing more GTs as "Ford" gets a higher margin on MSRP of these cars vs. the shortage where "DEALERS" get the extra cash...

There are/will be many new "hot" car options coming out in the next few months...not to mention the period to sell a convertible in half of the country ends by mid-july...

that being said I am sure ford is doing what they need to do to improve profits as they are currently doing a terrible job based on their profit figures.

 

[damnisityellow]

Yellow, in all honesty I have given up incentives so that others could be rewarded and recognized for their effort. Some would call that naive or stupid, others would call it leadership.

I make a good living and there isn't really anything that I want that I can't buy. It seems my wants aren't as extravagant as my peers. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy when bonus time comes around and I see additional fruits for my labor. And no, I don't give the money back after the check has been cut. Too many of us take it for granted that it was only dumb luck that we were born in the USA instead of Bangladesh or Sudan. Chris Rock does a great routine on that very fact.

I appreciate that you give it up to reward others----very comendable.I too have done this on occasion. If one of my fellow salesmen are having a bad month and I have my budget made, I will give him a deal or two. Other months I may sqeek by and don't think they return the favor just another reason I can sleep at night.
And yes, we do take for granted we are in the heart of capitalism. I can look at it this way more times than not: if I pass on making money from a product I sell, it actually hurts the customer. They will go for the "better deal" and get themselves screwed on the interest rate, backend profits, or worse, buy a dodge, mitsubishi, hyundai, or other vehicle that has absolutely no value next year.So, believe this: there are lots of times that I can make a healthy profit for the company and myself while actually helping the customer.I know it sounds lame, but I see it on a daily basis.
Example: I try and hold $1000 profit on an F-150 at a price $1000 under msrp. I then show all rebates and incentives. Financed amount is $28995. the customer leaves and goes to competitor.they sell for invoice t $30,995 and show rebates and fmcc cash. They then hold $2000 on the trade which is upside down. Financed amount is $29,995 at higher interest because of loan percentage being higher because the put more payoff back into the deal.now the customer got a better price, but pays a higherr note and wayyyy more total payoff.now three yars from now he decides to trade. because of interest and going in upside down on his trade, he is more upside down than before. now he says ford sucks because his truck is worth nothing on trade!!!! you can see from this crude example what the other dealer did to him while he believed he got a better deal.
So, yes , I will make money on most deals, but I do it while being honest with the customer and myself and not hiding anything. Wanna see a business manager get an ass chewing? let one try to make finance points or manipulate figures on one of my customers :damnit:

 

[mtbdoc]

Okay, time to post again on this thread

This situation has become absurd. Dealers charging $1000's OVER MSRP to make some extra bucks in the short term. Orders NOT being filled, misleading info being given...

To briefly restate my background: Oct 1965, my father took delivery on a '66 springtime yellow 'stang coupe [my 8th birthday]. This is the car I took my driver's test in, and did my best to involve my fellow high school classmates into misbehaving in...'nuff said! Bought a '66 'vert in '79 after graduating from college. Ordered an '87 GT in 12/06 before these things had even hit the dealer's floors. [purchased a '91 Taurus SHO...a four-door 'stang if ever there was one]...bought a '65 2+2 last year to keep the ole 'vert company...

...and was set to write a check 2 weeks ago for an '05 GT @ MSRP [and I NEVER pay sticker price]...but NO...the dealer wants +$4000 OVER MSRP.

This is short term gain and long term loss. Last weekend I talked w/ John Clor of SVT marketing at a Mustang show here in Birmingham, and he agreed 100% about the damage these dealers do by lying and gouging prices. It just HURTS Ford in the long term.

Yesterday I took delivery on a 2005 GTO that is so much more car than the Mustang...and paid $30,500. I am NOT a GM fan, and have NEVER OWNED a GM product before (of course, this is Aussie GM!), but I am not going to pay more money for less car...as much as I looked forward to the new 'stang since the 40th anniversary show in Nashville last year.

 

[MyBlueOval]

This situation has become absurd. Dealers charging $1000's OVER MSRP to make some extra bucks in the short term. Orders NOT being filled, misleading info being given...


...and was set to write a check 2 weeks ago for an '05 GT @ MSRP [and I NEVER pay sticker price]...but NO...the dealer wants +$4000 OVER MSRP.

This is short term gain and long term loss. Last weekend I talked w/ John Clor of SVT marketing at a Mustang show here in Birmingham, and he agreed 100% about the damage these dealers do by lying and gouging prices. It just HURTS Ford in the long term.

Yesterday I took delivery on a 2005 GTO that is so much more car than the Mustang...and paid $30,500. I am NOT a GM fan, and have NEVER OWNED a GM product before (of course, this is Aussie GM!), but I am not going to pay more money for less car...as much as I looked forward to the new 'stang since the 40th anniversary show in Nashville last year.

I hear you mtb. It's the MSRP+ price mentality that's going to drive me to the BMW dealer if Ford can't fill my order in a reasonable period of time. I've driven the 330Ci and it's a very nice car. The Mustang is my first option because I get X-plan pricing and I'm a Mustang guy at heart. However, I'm smart enought to realize that it isn't the ONLY car out there that looks sexy and is fun to drive. I'm also willing to take MY MONEY to another manufacturer. A dealer here in SoCal had a $8K markup + addons on a GT vert! It brought the sticker price to just under $44K...give me a fricken break...it's a Mustang for heaven sake!!!

 

[mustang479]

I hear you mtb. It's the MSRP+ price mentality that's going to drive me to the BMW dealer if Ford can't fill my order in a reasonable period of time. I've driven the 330Ci and it's a very nice car. The Mustang is my first option because I get X-plan pricing and I'm a Mustang guy at heart. However, I'm smart enought to realize that it isn't the ONLY car out there that looks sexy and is fun to drive. I'm also willing to take MY MONEY to another manufacturer. A dealer here in SoCal had a $8K markup + addons on a GT vert! It brought the sticker price to just under $44K...give me a fricken break...it's a Mustang for heaven sake!!!

Good for you guys. Most people out there are insane by paying over MSRP. There are other good cars out there with attractive financing options and FORD dealers in the MIDWEST are trying to rip off the consumer with price tags 3000 over MSRP. I also read that FORD got rid of its My color dash due to a patent infringement. FORD does not seem to be doing its homework lately. Too many mistakes with the Mustang production. They should have a special incentive for current Mustang owners who were loyal to them, but now many Mustang owners are frustrated and are choosing cars from other manufactures since Ford cant deliver a product within a reasonable amount of time. I personally owned a 1985 1987 and a 1995 mustang GT and will be leaving Ford because of all the frustrations that I have been having with trying to purchase a Mustang since December. All of the Ford dealers I dealt with are thieves and liers!

 

[SVTdriver]

Good for you guys. Most people out there are insane by paying over MSRP. There are other good cars out there with attractive financing options and FORD dealers in the MIDWEST are trying to rip off the consumer with price tags 3000 over MSRP. I also read that FORD got rid of its My color dash due to a patent infringement. FORD does not seem to be doing its homework lately. Too many mistakes with the Mustang production. They should have a special incentive for current Mustang owners who were loyal to them, but now many Mustang owners are frustrated and are choosing cars from other manufactures since Ford cant deliver a product within a reasonable amount of time. I personally owned a 1985 1987 and a 1995 mustang GT and will be leaving Ford because of all the frustrations that I have been having with trying to purchase a Mustang since December. All of the Ford dealers I dealt with are thieves and liers!

You may want to reread the info. News articles.
http://patentlaw.typepad.com/patent/2005/03/ford_settles_pa.html
http://me-mag.com/t_news_pick.cfm?sid=3560
http://www.loneinventor.com/article152.html