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Cant get rid of code 34

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ebk06

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So I changed out my egr sensor which was in fact bad and also the egr valve. I still have the code 34 and an idle issue. The egr solenoid is pulling vacuum even at idle, which I thought I read wasnt normal. The vacuum lines arent backwards, i double checked that already.

I know theres readings that can be taken at the sensor wires but couldnt find a post with them so does anyone know them? I didnt see them in the surge idle checklist either. Also if anyone has any other ideas as to what may be causing the code 34 please help me out.
 

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If the EGR-solenoid vacuum-circuit is closed while at idle (vacuum goes in and comes out of the solenoid), ensure ground is not reaching the solenoid. If not, consider replacing the solenoid.
 

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Some basic theory to clarify how things work is in order…

EGR System theory and testing

The EGR shuts off at Wide Open Throttle (WOT), so it has minimal effect on performance. The addition of exhaust gas drops
combustion temperature, increases gas mileage and reduces the tendency of the engine to ping. It can also reduce HC emissions
by reducing fuel consumption. The primary result of EGR usage is a reduction in NOx emissions.

The EGR system has a vacuum source (line from the intake manifold) that goes to the EVR, computer operated electronic vacuum
regulator. The EVR is located on the back of the passenger side shock strut tower. The computer uses RPM, Load. and some other
factors to tell the EVR to pass vacuum to open the EGR valve. The EGR valve and the passages in the heads and intake manifold
route exhaust gas to the EGR spacer (throttle body spacer). The EGR sensor tells the computer how far the EGR valve is open.
Then computer adjusts the signal sent to the EVR to hold, increase or decrease the vacuum. The computer adds spark advance to
compensate for the recirculated gases and the slower rate they burn at.




Troubleshooting:
There should be no vacuum at the EGR valve when at idle. If there is, the EVR (electronic vacuum regulator) mounted on the
backside of the passenger side wheelwell is suspect. Check the vacuum line plumbing to make sure the previous owner didn’t
cross the vacuum lines.

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds. (the diagram says 88 GT, but the EGR part is the same for 86-93 Mustangs)


The EGR sensor is basically a variable resistor, like the volume control on a radio. One end is 5 volt VREF power from the
computer (red/orange wire). One end is computer signal ground (black/white), and the middle wire (brown/lt green) is the signal
output from the EGR sensor. It is designed to always have some small voltage output from it anytime the ignition switch is the
Run position. That way the computer knows the sensor & the wiring is OK. No voltage on computer pin 27 (brown/lt green wire)
and the computer thinks the sensor is bad or the wire is broken and sets code 31. The voltage output can range from approximately
.6-.85 volt.

The EVR regulates vacuum to the EGR valve to maintain the correct amount of vacuum. The solenoid coil should measure 20-70
Ohms resistance. The regulator has a vacuum feed on the bottom which draws from the intake manifold. The other vacuum line is
regulated vacuum going to the EGR valve. One side of the EVR electrical circuit is +12 volts anytime the ignition switch is in the
run position. The other side of the electrical circuit is the ground path and is controlled by the computer. The computer switches
the ground on and off to control the regulator solenoid.



EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones

EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones

to check the EGR valve:
bring the engine to normal temp.

connect a vacuum pump to the EGR Valve or see the EGR test jig drawing below. Connnect the test jig or to directly to manifold vacuum.

Do not connect the EGR test jig to the EVR (Electronic Vacuum Regulator).


apply 5in vacuum to the valve. Using the test jig, use your finger to vary the vacuum

if engine stumbled or died then EGR Valve and passage(there is a passageway through the heads and intake) are good.

if engine did NOT stumble or die then either the EGR Valve is bad and/or the passage is blocked.

if engine stumbled, connect EGR test jig to the hose coming off of the EGR Valve.
Use your finger to cap the open port on the vacuum tee.
snap throttle to 2500 RPM (remember snap the throttle don't hold it there).
did the vacuum gauge show about 2-5 in vacuum?
if not the EVR has failed

EGR test jig


To test the computer and wiring to the computer, you can use a test light across the EVR wiring connectors and dump the codes. When you dump the codes, the computer does a self test that toggles every relay/actuator/solenoid on and off. When this happens, the test light will flicker. If the test light remains on the computer or the wiring is suspect.

To check the EVR to computer wiring, disconnect the EVR connector and connect one end of the Ohmmeter to the dark green wire EVR wiring. Remove the passenger side kick panel and use a 10 MM socket to remove the computer connector from the computer. Set the Ohmmeter to high range and connect the other ohmmeter lead to ground. You should see an infinite open circuit indication or a reading greater than 1 Meg Ohm. If you see less than 200 Ohms, the dark green wire has shorted to ground somewhere.

Late Model Restoration may still have the Ford Racing M-12071-N302 kit with the EGR valve & sensor along with the ACT & ECT sensors for $45. See http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/iwwida.pvx?;item?item_no=M12071N302 1&comp=LRS for more details
 
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Thanks ill check this tonight. Hopefully its the solenoid because im tired of messing with it lol.
 
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Get a chip/tweecer/quarterhorse and turn off the egr function solved.
 

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The EGR function is probably already turned off via the code. But a mechanical malfunction can still lead to poor driveability (as is the case here), and a tune will not remedy that.
 
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OK so I changed out the solenoid which seemed to fix the constant vacuum but the car still idles up and down. I checked the ohm and got an infinite loop, using a Fluke meter so i know its accurate. Im getting no other codes but a 34. The sensor, valve, and solenoid are now new. I checked the connections and used a little electric grease on them but cant get rid of the codes. Any other advice before I just take it to a shop?
 

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Do the EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones as described in my previous post.
 

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While testing, see if the position sensor is baselining above 0.50V. The spec is 0.67V but if above ~0.50V, a stumble or miss can happen.
 
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ok thanks guys. ill have to do these other checks as soon as i get more free time. Spent the afternoon doing the 3g alt swap and it took longer than expected. Since the battery was unplugged ill have to wait until the code comes back up.
 
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One quick question. Would the code 34 be causing hesitation at WOT?
 

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ebk06 said:
One quick question. Would the code 34 be causing hesitation at WOT?
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When functioning properly (as JR noted earlier I'm sure), the EGR is not functional.

But I suppose that a leaking EGR valve could hinder WOT performance since it would be bleeding inert gasses into the chambers. An EGR valve leaking like this would be much more noticable at idle.
 
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