crate engines. Please Mr. Ford, please reciprocate

ET Performance does some good stuff. I plan on getting my race heads done there. If your wanted heads done a little cheaper, both Scott Vincent and Les Schmader do excellent work. I plan on sending a set of C8AE-H heads to Les for a budget nitrous 390 I'm going to build for a '67-'68 coupe.

I didn't even bring up the Blue Thunder High Riser FE heads, especially in race form. They're purported to flow close to 400 out of the box, but you have to use T&D stuff on them or machine the pads down for more conventional stuff.

DK, who did your cage? Looks like it fits pretty tight, which is how I like them. Are you going to put some bars thru the firewall out to tie into the shock towers then down to the front frame rails? If you do, it looks like you can bring them thru outside of the engine compartment past the shock towers before you roll them back in. The problem spot would be the factory battery tray. You could get a drivers side panel and cut it out and weld it in there backwards to sort of look factory. Don't forget to run a tranny cross member, I'm not sure it's a problem on BBF's but there was a N02 '69 Camaro that showed up to my local track freshly built. 3rd pass he hit the button off the line, it pulled the front tires about 4' in the air and made a right turn from teh left lane. I thought he was going to hit the tree. He had steered the wheel all the way left, came down, got back into it, hit the left wall. They had no crossmember for the Powerglide and no bracing to keep the motor plates from moving back and forth. The motor plates bent forward and it sat at about half throttle as it smacked the other wall and started to slide down the wall until he finally got his wits about him and hit the shutoff stich and shut down at about the 1/8 mile. Hit hard enough to flatten both side of the camaro and bow out the centers of all 4 draglights.

Another time I saw a car in the pits sat up the same way, said he had a problem with the engine surging as he went down the track after pulling the front wheels. He didn't have a tranny crossmember either. With the engine idling in the pits, my buddy goes up and grabs the waterneck and gives the engine a shove. It starts rocking back and forth and the engine is surging. The guy ended up taking some tubing and put longer bolts in the lower corners of his tranny and running them over to the top of the frame. I think he later broke and ear off both the tranny and the block.

I guess that's your battery box on the lower left side? My chassis guy told me the way to mount the batteries is for the long way to run across the car, rather than front to back. This is for conventional batteries, he says if you mount it the other way the plates rock back and forth and will end up killing a cell or at the least, shortening battery life. This is where he suggested is the best place to mount the battery, this is in my buddy Kevin's '68 coupe.

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Dark Knight said:
The main reason the 429's and 460's never went into performance cars was because of the 70's gas and insurance crunch.. the engine was designed to be bigger.. you can stroke it to 557 cubes without notching anything...

385 series ran from 1968 to 1997..

There isnt an FE head out there that will flow like some of the 460 heads available now.. including the SOHC and tunnel port..


so i guess you dont consider the 1970-71 torino cobra and mercury cyclone performance cars? they both used the 429 cj wedge engine
 
rbohm said:
so i guess you dont consider the 1970-71 torino cobra and mercury cyclone performance cars? they both used the 429 cj wedge engine


Yeah they were, I meant that the 429/460's potential was never realized, they were never put in a small, light car like the FE was, my bad :D .. I have a set of iron CJ heads off of a 71 spoiler collecting dust in the garage. Scott Johnston at http://www.reincarnation-automotive.com/products_index.html
did my heads.. does great work :nice:

1320, I'm going to use an optima, plates shouldnt flex with the gel like they would a water filled battery. And I want all the weight as low as possible, not high up... more stable at 150MPH :nice:
Shock towers are going away, mustangII front end is next. I'm leaving the stock spot for the battery, thinking about putting the ignition system there.
Engine isnt going anywhere on this.. :rolleyes:

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Well, my chassis guy builds a lot of Street Outlaw and Outlaw 10.5 cars. He said the reason for putting the battery there was that your rotation center is around the rear axle and there it's sort of like trying to fall off a shelf or something, whereas if you hang it out back and low, its trying to rotate back forwards. I think this is out of the Doorslammers chassis book as well.

I don't know if you've already got the MII stuff yet or not. The Pinto front end is better designed for drag stuff from what he told me, the MII stuff is better for the twisties.
 
I could see where the battery higher would help plant small tires, but with as big a tire as I have, traction shouldnt be a prob. Most 10.5 cars sit alot higher than mine, I have to drop the 4-link to get the tires off.. the car is set up to launch like a pro stock.. I'll stick with the mustang II conversion.. only reason people go with the pinto is that it's lighter, I'm not worried about that.. all the tub work is steel :nice: I still plan on driving it on the street.. you cant even see the cage from the side, the chrome on the side windows covers the side hoops, and the roof ones are tucked way up.

This is the place that did the cage
http://southwestcustomtrucks.com/
Fuel cell is cool, custom one that fits under the car, 17 gallon..