Did I score or strike out on this engine?

65ShelbyClone · Feb 25, 2007

A couple hours ago I picked this up:

Yeah, it's a 460.

It has a Performer 460 manifold on it, was rebuilt not long before being tossed outside, and has/had at least a gallon of rainwater in it. I started tearing it down and got hopeful when I saw crosshatching and minimal bore corrosion, but that changed when I saw the #8 piston. It looked like it fought with a broken valve at one time and there were some residual dings in the bore. The #8 intake pushrod was also kinda "S" shaped, Same with the #4 exhaust pushrod. I only pulled the driver's side head so far.

Anyway, it's a D1VE block and at least one of the heads is a D3. The other had D_VE on it. Only has an .030" overbore(4.390") and I haven't pulled the pan off yet to go poking around inside.

What do you all think? Was it worth $25?

whatagearhead · Feb 25, 2007

pretty hard to get "hurt" on a $25 purchase - I say "you done good"

Max Power · Feb 26, 2007

What isn't worth $25?

Cupid · Feb 26, 2007

You'd proly get $25 or more on fleabay for that intake alone...

Nemesis67 · Feb 26, 2007

I'd say you did just as good as the time I bought a 76 T-bird with a 460, C-6 and a 9" rear for $250. And it was driveable! Which I was going to transplant the engine and tranny into my 67 Fastback. But then sold it for $1000.
"One mans trash is another mans treasure."

65ShelbyClone · Feb 27, 2007

I should have put more smilies in my post.

I was being facetious...I know it was a good price at $25, even if it needs a rebuild. Regarding the intake, I planned on Ebaying that thing before I ever saw the engine.

I have a real question, though. What are the best iron heads to get for this engine? The ones that are on it have big ports by normal standards, but they don't look even as big as 4V Cleveland intakes. There isn't much room for porting, either. Maybe I should ask Thumper. I won't forget the shot of his fastback's BB with intake off and tennis balls stuck in the ports.

Not that I need iron heads on an 750lb engine....

Rusty67 · Feb 27, 2007

I think my friend has some PI heads that will fit that motor. I think they are suppose to be the super bitchen ultra cool setup for that motor. He just sold his 427 and I'm not sure if he gave the extra heads with the block or not.

65ShelbyClone · Feb 27, 2007

I've never heard of PI heads for a 460. I though those were a 4.6 thing.

A 427 is ALOT different than a 429/460 also.

EDIT: Forgot the extra pics. Even more to come tomorrow. I'm tellin you, the gaskets are so fresh that the intake and heads just lifted right off! All the FelPro sealer rings look brand new! This engine has been sitting in the weeds for at least a decade!

Rusty67 · Feb 27, 2007

Think old school man. PI as in Police Interceptor, not Performance Inhancement =-)

65ShelbyClone · Feb 27, 2007

Yeah, well, Ford keeps reusing the same abbreviations, so I get them mixed up!

I was thinking "Rusty 67 is a veteran around here, how could he mistake a 4.6 for a 460?"

I've had about 5 hours of sleep in the last 48 hours, so that should explain something.

Rusty67 · Feb 27, 2007

LOL no problem, happens to me more often then I'd like to admit. Is that avatar a hand from an Eva ?

65ShelbyClone · Feb 27, 2007

Rusty67 said:
Is that avatar a hand from an Eva ?

Yup. Not too many people recognize the anime avatars I use.

D.Hearne · Feb 27, 2007

The 429/460 PI head is a combination for the std head and the CJ head. It had the smaller ports on the intake side (don't recall about the exhaust) and the larger CJ sized valves. Ford figured out the CJ ports were "too big" And this combo made more power. You can accomplish the same thing using the early 68-70 std heads and installing the larger valves along with the bowl work to match.

GrandeStang73 · Feb 27, 2007

That is deff. a good find for $25!! Alot of potential out of the motor, they're just heavy!! I've got a 351C sitting in my weeds in Northern VA too. Buttttt the heads have been off of it for sometime. Shoot.. $25 and it could be someones too.

65ShelbyClone · Feb 27, 2007

D.Hearne said:
The 429/460 PI head is a combination for the std head and the CJ head. It had the smaller ports on the intake side (don't recall about the exhaust) and the larger CJ sized valves. Ford figured out the CJ ports were "too big" And this combo made more power. You can accomplish the same thing using the early 68-70 std heads and installing the larger valves along with the bowl work to match.

So do the CJs actually flow too much, or just flow a alot? I have a hard time imagining a 460 with a mushy low-end.

jes72mustang · Mar 2, 2007

I found a 351C; block crank v4 heads, stock intake, stock exhaust, air cleaner on Ebay for $50 last fall. I basically got it for a song, a little more than you paid for the 460. But I only really wanted the block and crank, so I sold everything else and turned a nice little profit that will help with the build.

D.Hearne · Mar 2, 2007

65ShelbyClone said:
So do the CJs actually flow too much, or just flow a alot? I have a hard time imagining a 460 with a mushy low-end.

I'm just recalling what was written about them in "Ford Performance" According to Ford, the CJ's "Sewer pipe" sized ports flowed too much on a 429, I'd imagine with more cubes drawing thru them, they'd work better.

Max Power · Mar 2, 2007

While the ports look huge, they have some funky angles around the valve. Check out this mold taken from factory 429 heads vs Edelbrock heads:

http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2006/12/MakingMolds/index.php

65ShelbyClone · Mar 2, 2007

jes72mustang said:
I found a 351C; block crank v4 heads, stock intake, stock exhaust, air cleaner on Ebay for $50 last fall. I basically got it for a song, a little more than you paid for the 460. But I only really wanted the block and crank, so I sold everything else and turned a nice little profit that will help with the build.

Dang, were they closed chamber? I'd have jumped on that deal too!

D.Hearne said:
I'm just recalling what was written about them in "Ford Performance" According to Ford, the CJ's "Sewer pipe" sized ports flowed too much on a 429, I'd imagine with more cubes drawing thru them, they'd work better.

Alright, good to know. I haven't decided what to do with this engine anyway. Bracket racer, torque monster truck application, turbo BB in the Mustang....all up in the air.

One of the cylinders is really nasty from having water in it. I'll probably pull the rods and pistons this weekend. It'll need another overbore which will take it out to .060 over. What's the maximum these blocks can take safely without needing to worry about sonic checking?

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