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Just went to a shop today to pick some parts up, and they had a mass air kit in the corner. I stopped at another place afterwards and buddy was saying how the harness wouldn't work... at least without some modifications. The guys at the shop said it may take about an hour, and only involves some splicing and crimping. I have looked around on the net here, but am still unsure as to if i've got the right stuff. Thanks
The computer is supposed to be remanufactured, so i'm not too worried about that. This thread is mainly for the wiring/harness I have here.
 

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You would need some EEC connector pins to add the wires to the 60 pin connector. Thats about it.
 
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liljoe07 said:
You would need some EEC connector pins to add the wires to the 60 pin connector. Thats about it.
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Hmm. I don't suppose you'd know how many I need? And I'm assuming I'll have to order them to my door. Appreciate it
 

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MASS air conversion instructions from http://www.stangnet.com/tech/maf/massairconversion.html FREE

The pins seem to be hard to find. Maybe someone else has a working link to help you. The sites oldfuelinjection.com and rjminjectiontech.com seem to have dropped off line. They had them, but I don't have another source.
 
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jrichker said:
MASS air conversion instructions from http://www.stangnet.com/tech/maf/massairconversion.html FREE

The pins seem to be hard to find. Maybe someone else has a working link to help you. The sites oldfuelinjection.com and rjminjectiontech.com seem to have dropped off line. They had them, but I don't have another source.
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You would need some EEC connector pins to add the wires to the 60 pin connector. Thats about it.
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To both of you guys (And anybody else that may have info).. This is a re-manufactured piece originally speed density but converted to mass air internals. Sorry if the questions may seems stupid, but i'm completely new to mustangs and just messing with cars in general. Everything in the original picture is what I bought from the guy, I don't have any 60 pin connectors unless there is already one in my car connected to the speed density EEC. This right here is the computer I bought, and it has the 60 pins.
 

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Step 1.) Read the http://www.stangnet.com/tech/maf/massairconversion.html. Print it out and have it handy when you do the conversion work.
You will need to remove the center red plastic piece from the computer wiring harness connector to move some of the wires around and add the wires (with pins) for the Mass Air wiring harness. Hopefully your Mass Air wiring harness came with pins already crimped on the wires.


Wire side 60 pin computer wiring harness connector


Computer side 60 pin computer wiring harness connector.






Dump the computer codes after the car is running to make sure all the wiring is properly done. Post any codes you get and I will try to help you.

Dump the codes: Codes may be present even if the Check Engine Light (CEL) isn't on.

Dumping the computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 26-July-2011. Added need to make sure the clutch is pressed when dumping codes.

Codes may be present even if the check engine light hasn’t come on, so be sure to check for them.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Post the codes you get and I will post 86-93 model 5.0 Mustang specific code definitions and fixes. I do not have a complete listing for 94-95 model 5.0 Mustangs at this time.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. On a manual transmission car, be sure to press the clutch to the floor.
Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.





If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems. This is crucial: the same wire that provides the ground to dump the codes provides signal ground for the TPS, EGR, ACT and Map/Baro sensors. If it fails, you will have poor performance, economy and driveablity problems

Some codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off, and clutch (if present) is pressed to the floor, and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Your 86-88 5.0 won't have a working Check Engine Light, so you'll need a test light.
See AutoZone Part Number: 25886 , $10




Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see www.midwayautosupply.com/Equus-Digital-Ford-Code-Reader/dp/B000EW0KHW Equus - Digital Ford Code Reader (3145It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $22-$36.
 
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fiveologyracing.com has a mass air wiring kit that includes the mass air connector, VSS, and fuel pump relay wiring. and the pin connectors you need plus wiring instructions for $39.00. I have used this kit on my mass air converted 87.
Without your VSS and fuel pump relay wired into your mass air ECM you will show a code 29 for VSS sensor failure and code 95 for a fuel pump secondary circuit failure. I always had those codes until I purchased that wiring kit and added it to my mass air conversion. The VSS wired into the mass air ECM keeps your car from stalling when coming to a stop. A problem I also had until I wired the VSS in.
 
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fiveologyracing.com has a mass air wiring kit that includes the mass air connector, VSS, and fuel pump relay wiring. and the pin connectors you need plus wiring instructions for $39.00. I have used this kit on my mass air converted 87.
Without your VSS and fuel pump relay wired into your mass air ECM you will show a code 29 for VSS sensor failure and code 95 for a fuel pump secondary circuit failure. I always had those codes until I purchased that wiring kit and added it to my mass air conversion. The VSS wired into the mass air ECM keeps your car from stalling when coming to a stop. A problem I also had until I wired the VSS in.
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Thanks.. are these pins the ones that are plugged into the computer itself or are they different pins.. by computer pins I'm talking about the ones in the picture I took above
 
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They are the pins that Jrichker spoke of, (the ones that are hard to find) in his post reply . They are the pins that need to be connected to the wiring so you can pin them into your EEC Harness.
 

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This is what we are trying to describe, a male pin that goes on the end of the wire. They are crimp on pins, and it works best if you have the correct crimp tool.

View attachment 116794

See http://www.winzerusa.com/?__event=b... Fleet:Terminals&speckey_Type=Male%20Terminal
You'll have to do some measuring to get the right diameter pin, or find the technical description of the pin.
 
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jrichker said:
This is what we are trying to describe, a male pin that goes on the end of the wire. They are crimp on pins, and it works best if you have the correct crimp tool.

View attachment 116792

See http://www.winzerusa.com/?__event=browse_catalog&cat=Home:Electrical:Automotive & Fleet:Terminals&speckey_Type=Male%20Terminal
You'll have to do some measuring to get the right diameter pin, or find the technical description of the pin.
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Oh, there we go.. was confused on what type of pin it was. thanks for the clarification. I'll figure it out sometime. car is out getting some subframe connectors put on and some new floor pans put in
 

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Basically, the entire conversion is 7 wires, and repinning of the EEC

4 wires are for the MAF, as you have there

2 wires are for the VSS (just any wire to tap into the VSS and run to the EEC)

1 wire for the fuel pump relay.


Other than that, you need the EEC, a MAF and the air intake tubing
 
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Mustang5L5 said:
Basically, the entire conversion is 7 wires, and repinning of the EEC

4 wires are for the MAF, as you have there

2 wires are for the VSS (just any wire to tap into the VSS and run to the EEC)

1 wire for the fuel pump relay.


Other than that, you need the EEC, a MAF and the air intake tubing
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So I'm not missing anything with the wires then, I just need to put my own in for the 3 I don't have.. also for the intake tubing I'll just be ordering a cold air intake. Thanks for laying it out
 
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Thanks for all the help guys, I appreciate it.
 

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So I'm not missing anything with the wires then, I just need to put my own in for the 3 I don't have.. also for the intake tubing I'll just be ordering a cold air intake. Thanks for laying it out
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Just provide your own wire for the other 3

The VSS connections are in the driver's kick panel, and the fuel pump relay is under the seat. Use some wire taps there to make the connections there and then route the wires to the EEC.

Then you just need to swap a few wires around on the EEC and add the pins as discussed above.
 
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Just provide your own wire for the other 3

The VSS connections are in the driver's kick panel, and the fuel pump relay is under the seat. Use some wire taps there to make the connections there and then route the wires to the EEC.

Then you just need to swap a few wires around on the EEC and add the pins as discussed above.
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Right on.. passenger seat I'm assuming? It'll be done soon.. She still has yet to pass safety, got a few more minor things to be done.. then i'll run it for a bit and get the MAF hooked up, if I can't figure it out a buddy the car is with right now will know how to hook it all up, but with the info I now have, it shouldn't be an issue. Thanks again
 

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Fuel pump relay is located under the drivers seat. Glad to help you out.
 
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jrichker said:
This is what we are trying to describe, a male pin that goes on the end of the wire. They are crimp on pins, and it works best if you have the correct crimp tool.

View attachment 116762

See http://www.winzerusa.com/?__event=browse_catalog&cat=Home:Electrical:Automotive & Fleet:Terminals&speckey_Type=Male%20Terminal
You'll have to do some measuring to get the right diameter pin, or find the technical description of the pin.
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He doesnt need male PINs for the wires, he needs female.
 

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liljoe07 said:
He doesnt need male PINs for the wires, he needs female.
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Female pins are the ones that come with the fiveology mass air conversion wiring kit.
 

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He doesnt need male PINs for the wires, he needs female.
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Sorry, the male pins were the first ones I could find a picture of. You are correct in that he needs the female pins.
 
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