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ECT / Datalogger / instrument cluster - Gauge issue

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  • Start date Start date Aug 22, 2011
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DonMaximo

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I recently did a light spray and cleaning on my engine compartment with a light soapy mix followed by a clear water spray down afterwards. Immediately afterward, I encountered an odd condition.

My instrument cluster Water Temp gauge now shoots up to 210 while my BE datalogging ECT slowly climbs to 190, where it typically is.

The instrument cluster gauge is definitely reflecting a higher temperature than normal. It's up over 200 degrees within 1-2 minutes...not realistic.

I had thought that the engine temperature sensor in the lower intake passenger side would be reflected on my cluster -AND- datalogger, but they are clearly different.

Any ideas on why these 2 gauges might differ so much where the BE datalogger appears to be accurate.

FYI - instrument cluster gauge has fewer than 1,000 miles on it... it's a quality autometer gauge.

TIA,

-D
 

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The secondary power ground is between the back of the intake manifold and the driver's side firewall. It is often missing or loose. It supplies ground for the alternator, A/C compressor clutch and other electrical accessories such as the gauges. The ground points should always be clean, shiny bare metal. You can cover it over with some silicone grease after it is assembled to protect it from corrosion.

The ECT uses a separate ground from the engine to body ground/ It is not affected by changes in the engine to body ground resistance.

Any car that has a 3G or high output current alternator needs a 4 gauge ground wire running from the block to the chassis ground where the battery pigtail ground connects. The 3G has a 130 amp capacity, so you wire the power side with 4 gauge wire. It stands to reason that the ground side handles just as much current, so it needs to be 4 gauge too.

The picture shows the common ground point for the battery , computer, & extra 3G alternator ground wire as described above in paragraph 2. A screwdriver points to the bolt that is the common ground point.

The battery common ground is a 10 gauge pigtail with the computer ground attached to it.
Picture courtesy timewarped1972


Correct negative battery ground cable.


3.) The computer has its own dedicated power ground that comes off the ground pigtail on the battery ground wire. Due to its proximity to the battery, it may become corroded by acid fumes from the battery.
In 86-90 model cars, it is a black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/lt green wire.
In 91-95 model cars it is a black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/white wire.
You'll find it up next to the starter solenoid where the wire goes into the wiring harness.


4.) All the sensors have a common separate signal ground. This includes the TPS, ACT, EGR, BAP, & VSS sensors.

5.) The O2 sensor heaters have their own ground (HEGO ground) coming from the computer. This is different and separate from the O2 sensor ground. It is an orange wire with a ring terminal on it. It is located in the fuel injector wiring harness and comes out under the throttle body. It gets connected to a manifold or bolt on back of the cylinder head.

6.) The TFI module has 2 grounds: one for the foil shield around the wires and another for the module itself. The TFI module ground terminates inside the computer.

7.) The computer takes the shield ground for the TFI module and runs it from pin 20 to the chassis near the computer.

8.) The computer's main power ground (the one that comes from the battery ground wire) uses pins 40 & 60 for all the things it controls internally.


See http://assets.fluke.com/appnotes/automotive/beatbook.pdf for help for help troubleshooting voltage drops across connections and components. .



Extra grounds are like the reserve parachute for a sky diver. If the main one fails, there is always your reserve.

The best plan is to have all the grounds meet at one central spot and connect together there. That eliminates any voltage drops from grounds connected at different places. A voltage drop between the computer ground and the alternator power ground will effectively reduce the voltage available to the computer by the amount of the drop.
 

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You have water in a connector...
Trace it the way jrichker describes...
 
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