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90lxwhite

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Took the 90 in for inspection and failed. The guy said it was close but no cigar. It's been sitting awhile and the guy it needed to be decarbonized. Awhile back it was taken in and it also failed but that time a guy ran a bunch of cleaner in intake got close but still no go. So y'all think driving it and maybe some seafoam? Does seafoam really work or is just bs additive? Some say the white smoke out the tail is the carbon burning off but my suspension is its just the seafoam burning
 

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It's def not just the seafoam burning. If it were, the thing would smoke for the whole tank of gas.

Not sure if seafoam will fix you up or not but I've gone into a Firestone before and they hooked up a can of someting-or-other like an IV bag, directly into my fuel rails. Went through the lanes the next day with no issues. This was on a very tired original motor with 200k on the clock.
 

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No cigar you say! I got a Dutch.
Hope you get it to pass!
 

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How to pass emissions testing:

High NO - high combustion temps - retard timing, check EGR for operation.
High CO – Rich condition - fuel pressure too high, check O2 sensors, replace air filter, Clean MAF element.
High HC – Lean misfire, vacuum leak, common misfire due to worn or weak ignition system components. On rare occasions, an overly rich mixture may be the cause. Do the ethanol/E10 fill up as suggested.
High CO & HC - Cat converters, smog pump, and smog pump controls. Make sure the smog pump has good air output at 1200-1700 RPM

How to pass emissions testing:

1.) Make sure all the emissions gear the car was made with is present and connected up properly. That includes a working smog pump and cats. The smog tech will do a visual check to make sure that all the original equipment is present and connected up.

2.) Make sure that you have fresh tune up with spark plugs, plug wires, cap, rotor, fuel & air filters. An oil & filter change is a good idea while you are at it.

3.) [Dumping the computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 26-July-2011. Added need to make sure the clutch is pressed when dumping codes.

Codes may be present even if the check engine light hasn’t come on, so be sure to check for them.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Post the codes you get and I will post 86-93 model 5.0 Mustang specific code definitions and fixes. I do not have a complete listing for 94-95 model 5.0 Mustangs at this time.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. On a manual transmission car, be sure to press the clutch to the floor.
Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.





If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems. This is crucial: the same wire that provides the ground to dump the codes provides signal ground for the TPS, EGR, ACT and Map/Baro sensors. If it fails, you will have poor performance, economy and driveablity problems

Some codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off, and clutch (if present) is pressed to the floor, and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Your 86-88 5.0 won't have a working Check Engine Light, so you'll need a test light.
See AutoZone Part Number: 25886 , $10




Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Equus - Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.


Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off, clutch depressed to the floor and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.
Cylinder balance test
Warm the car's engine up to normal operating temperature. Use a jumper wire or paper clip to put the computer into test mode. Start the engine and let it go through the normal diagnostic tests, then quickly press the throttle to the floor. The engine RPM should exceed 2500 RPM's for a brief second. The engine RPM's will increase to about 1450-1600 RPM and hold steady. The engine will shut off power to each injector, one at a time. When it has sequenced through all 8 injectors, it will flash 9 for everything OK, or the number of the failing cylinder such as 2 for cylinder #2. Quickly pressing the throttle again up to 2500 RPM’s will cause the test to re-run with smaller qualifying figures.
Do it a third time, and if the same cylinder shows up, the cylinder is weak and isn’t putting out power like it should. See the Chilton’s Shop manual for the complete test procedure



4.) Post the codes and get help to fix them. Don’t try to pass with codes not fixed. Clearing the computer just temporarily removes them from memory, it doesn’t fix the problem that caused the code to be set.

5.) Be sure to do the testing on a hot engine. Drive for 15-20 minutes prior to taking the test to get operating temps up into the normal range. Do not shut off the engine while waiting for your turn on the test machine. An engine up to full operating temperature puts out fewer emissions.
 

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Unplug the spout connector

that will lock timing to 10 degrees, low timing=low emissions

you might as well thank me now
 

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Decipha said:
Unplug the spout connector

that will lock timing to 10 degrees, low timing=low emissions

you might as well thank me now
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Ah cool man, thanks. Will give er a try.
 

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That's stupid. how about you post results.
 

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+1. If it's close, unplugging the spout will usually get it there.

Kurt
 

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That's stupid. how about you post results.
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Didnt get em printed this last time. The guy said he wouldn't charge me for the if he didnt print. It sucks fellas, she's running pretty good. No miss or anything
 

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+1. If it's close, unplugging the spout will usually get it there.

Kurt
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Giving me some hope. Last code it threw was egr position sensor. Changed it, still failed
 

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It may have not been the position sensor. EGR valves get gummed up over time, and end up not closing. This could have lead to the EGR sensor saying the EGR was open when it should have been closed, and therefore threw a code. You may need a new EGR valve itself.

Kurt
 

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... or might even have to remove the3 cross-over pipe from the back of the heads. When I pulled my OEM motor, that thing was pretty much caked solid.
 

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Would be nice to know the numbers and what is causing you to fail. Have even a cell phone pic of the test results? At least then you could target an approach to passing it
 

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Mustang5L5 said:
Would be nice to know the numbers and what is causing you to fail. Have even a cell phone pic of the test results? At least then you could target an approach to passing it
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I'll see if I can dig up the one from a couple weeks ago. Can I drive er w the spout connector out to the place?
 

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It'll drive like crap.
 

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Not necessarily.

I once adjusting my timing at the track and forgot to replace the SPOUT. Proceeded to run 5-6 times down the 1/4 mile running times in the 15's wondering what the hell was wrong with the car.

Drove home (30 miles) popped the hood, and found the SPOUT connector sitting on the radiator where i left it when i adjusted the timing.
 
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Mustang5L5 said:
...wondering what the hell was wrong with the car.
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Exactly, you just described it better is all.
 

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The radiator is so nice keeping all the things we forget about.

Anyways, was the car nice and warm when you showed up?
 

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Foxes don't come with the tool shelf over the radiator like the SN's do.

Kurt
 
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Mustang5L5 said:
Not necessarily.

I once adjusting my timing at the track and forgot to replace the SPOUT. Proceeded to run 5-6 times down the 1/4 mile running times in the 15's wondering what the hell was wrong with the car.

Drove home (30 miles) popped the hood, and found the SPOUT connector sitting on the radiator where i left it when i adjusted the timing.
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I drove several days around town wondering why it was a dog, then I found the spout in the same place as you did.
 
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