For All Those Interested in Speeding Ticket PREVENTION, Please Read!

[MyBlueOval]

Low-tech ideas:

7. If you're a girl and you start crying, that's a good thing.

11. If you're an attractive girl wearing a skirt and heels and showing a little leg, that's a good thing.

 

[topless beach]

If you're an attractive girl wearing a sexy outfit you can get out of a lot more than annoying traffic tickets.

 

[topless beach]

Another addition to the helpful list of websites to avoid tickets would be the The National Motorists Association website: www.motorists.org

The nma is a non-profit lobbying group dedicated to motorists' rights. James Baxter has run this organization incredibly well since the days of the 55 mph speed limit battle. They take on a variety of causes, but one that I have used is their legal defense kit to help anyone fight a ticket in court.

 

[AFRinc]

laser jammers flat out don't work. None do. I don't remember what news channel it was on but, they had cars equipped with laser jammers make ten passes, i forget how many diff. kinds of laser jammers they used, and each car failed all ten times. if you want to avoid a ticket drive 9 over the speed limit. most cops give tickets for over 10+ mph

 

[The Fang]

Boy this is a old thread!
MY take is don't speed at all!!! Even in an emergency don't speed cause you are puttin others at risk.

 

[PSU2009]

Speeding is never a good idea, but it sure is fun.
no more mega bumps kthx

 

[RottenRonny]

Boy this is a old thread!
MY take is don't speed at all!!! Even in an emergency don't speed cause you are puttin others at risk.

Perhaps you would like to show me a study that says speeding puts others at risk.

Technically speaking, driving 1 mph over a speed that is set not scientifically, but rather by legislators is speeding. By your argument, that is putting others at risk. I don't mean to be picky, but I am trying to make the point that if the speed limits were set correctly in the first place, this would not be an issue.

Statistically speaking, the driver who drives at the 85th percentile will have the safest driving record. (Multiple independant and government studies have shown this). More often than not, the 85th percentile is above the legislated speed limit.

Proof in this is that both the accident rate and fatatility rates are lower in Germany on the Autobahns than in North America's highways system, even though the speed limits are much lower here. The reason Germany has lower rates is because enforcement there is emphasised on areas of unsafe driving, such as lane dicipline, tailgating, etc. The Germans know that speeding in itself is not dangerous.

Unfortunatly, in North America, we are all taught the speeding kills mantra, and very few governments have the balls to adjust the speedlimits.

 

[Sanctus]

Low-tech ideas:
1. Slow down if you see cops. (Duh!)
2. Keep a low profile, drive smooth & steady... sudden changes & loud noises attract unwanted attention.
3. If you get busted, pull over smoothly & safely. Stop & turn engine off.
4. Keep your hands on the wheel. Turn on interior light if it's night.
5. Do not get out of the car. Wait for the Officer to tell you what to do.
6. If you can say "Sir" without sounding like a wisea$$, that's a good thing.
7. If you're a girl and you start crying, that's a good thing.
8. If you're a guy and you start crying, you're screwed.
9. Ask for a break. You might get it.
10. Once the Officer starts writing, you're screwed.

ok i may be wrong, but shouldnt you keep the engine on? unlike what was said in number 3 "3. If you get busted, pull over smoothly & safely. Stop & turn engine off." unless they ask you to turn it off id say leave it on. only makes it easeir for the cop to let you go if its still on right? or is that intimidating to the cop if the engines still on like your going to run or something? im not sure but i think ill leave the engine on untill told otherwize by a officer​

 

[The Fang]

Happy tickets to ya

Perhaps you would like to show me a study that says speeding puts others at risk.

Technically speaking, driving 1 mph over a speed that is set not scientifically, but rather by legislators is speeding. By your argument, that is putting others at risk. I don't mean to be picky, but I am trying to make the point that if the speed limits were set correctly in the first place, this would not be an issue.

Statistically speaking, the driver who drives at the 85th percentile will have the safest driving record. (Multiple independant and government studies have shown this). More often than not, the 85th percentile is above the legislated speed limit.

Proof in this is that both the accident rate and fatatility rates are lower in Germany on the Autobahns than in North America's highways system, even though the speed limits are much lower here. The reason Germany has lower rates is because enforcement there is emphasised on areas of unsafe driving, such as lane dicipline, tailgating, etc. The Germans know that speeding in itself is not dangerous.

Unfortunatly, in North America, we are all taught the speeding kills mantra, and very few governments have the balls to adjust the speedlimits.

OH Boy! This is the part when I laugh and shake my head.
Just in case somebody pulls out in front of you when your speeding down the road there rotten u'll then realize why a limit is set.

 

[RottenRonny]

OH Boy! This is the part when I laugh and shake my head.
Just in case somebody pulls out in front of you when your speeding down the road there rotten u'll then realize why a limit is set.

Oddly enough, you made my point, exactly. Why would someone pull out in front of me? Because THEY are a bad driver. If drivers were educated properly in lane discipline, and used proper courtesy on the road, they would not pull in front of me, and the speed limit would not need to be low.

Again, why is the accident rate on the unregulated areas of the autobahn lower than it is here? The answer is because there is better drivers education, and the other rules of the road are taken more seriousy than they are here. Why did the accident rate sky-rocket when the limits where first lowered to 55? It was because drivers became impatient, broke other rules of the road, and caused more accidents.

A few years ago in Saskatchewan (my home Province) we were able to lobby the provincial government to raise the speedlimits by 10% on divided highways to be more inline with the statistically safest speed. (10% was a compromise as we were looking for 20). People like you cried that there would be far more accidents, death and all around general carnage on the roads. Police began lane enforcement, stopsign violations onto the highways, and signal light use to name a few. Now, 4 years later, it has been shown that accident rates on those roads dropped signifigantly. Again, I ask you, why did this happen?

You can go back to all the arguments you have in your head about how speed kills, but at the end of the day, you would be hard pressed to find 1 scientific study that says speed alone causes accidents. I won't deny that speed can compound an accident. However, I would rather have the source of the accident removed in the first place.

I in turn shake my head because there is real solutions to a real problem out there. You can't argue with the statistics and scientific facts. However, people are too stubborn to make a signifigant change in their driving habbits to make the roads a safer place.

 

[dpjedi]

Prevention Rule #1 - Go the posted speed limit unless you are on a track...

Not fun, but true..

Jennifer

:Word: I refuse to contribute to their easy-money-slush-fund. I can't count the number of times I've saved someone from getting a ticket because I'm doing 30 in a 30, and sure enough, standing there with his little radar gun. They usually give me a disgusted look because now they have to wait for someone else to be doing 32 in a 30

 

[RisingForce]

OH Boy! This is the part when I laugh and shake my head.
Just in case somebody pulls out in front of you when your speeding down the road there rotten u'll then realize why a limit is set.

So youre telling us that if you're going 17mph in a 15mph zone and someone pulls in front of you, then you have put others in risk???

There's more accident caused by slow drivers than those who speed.

 

[shooterm1]

There's more accident caused by slow drivers than those who speed.

:SNSign:​

yeah, but most the time they dont get touched and rarely even notice the carnage they leave in their wake!

We have a pet name for them in my carpool ... ... ... "Road Zombies"

 

[The Fang]

So youre telling us that if you're going 17mph in a 15mph zone and someone pulls in front of you, then you have put others in risk???

There's more accident caused by slow drivers than those who speed.

Don't be stupid!
No ,I'm talking about the fools that are driving 50 in a 35 zone and 70 in a 45 or 55 and such as that. I see it every day.

You f'ers who have never been in a bad wreck won't realize what I'm talking about untill u do.

 

[RisingForce]

Aren't you the moderator of the Grand Marquis forum?
I've also seen f'ers like you goin 45 in a 65 Zone.

Don't be stupid!
No ,I'm talking about the fools that are driving 50 in a 35 zone and 70 in a 45 or 55 and such as that. I see it every day.

You f'ers who have never been in a bad wreck won't realize what I'm talking about untill u do.

 

[Schlitz-420]

Don't be stupid!
No ,I'm talking about the fools that are driving 50 in a 35 zone and 70 in a 45 or 55 and such as that. I see it every day.

You f'ers who have never been in a bad wreck won't realize what I'm talking about untill u do.

Why did you not say that in the first place? Plus you are still wrong because if someone is speeding down the road where I want to enter I pay attention and wait for them to pass by, thus their speed did not increase my risk of an accident, because if I pull out in front of them while they are doing 50 or 30 there is still going to be an accident, and it will still be my fault for pulling out in front of them, period. There is no way to spin this otherwise. As the other member said the only difference is in the likely amount of damage caused by said accident as obviously any increase in speed will produce, yet the fool not looking where they were going would still be at fault.

The only caveat to this would be speeding around what is a blind corner (hill or other obstruction) for another driver and your inability to slow down so you do not hit them due to your increased speed, but that is not caused by too much speed either, it is caused by the idiot speeding in what are unsafe conditions. When I wind up to 120 or so for fun on some of our Michigan backroads with 2 miles of green beans on either side of the road and you can see 2-3 miles down the road as well, I can see a Deer about a mile before it matters. Is this as safe as going 55mph?, no but is it safe to blindly pull out onto a road without making sure no one is coming?, no.

I think it is true more accidents are caused by inattentive drivers than by those of us having a little fun. Not to mention most of us are 25 and up and likely pay excellent attention when driving both fast and slow, if for no other reason to be on your toes when the lawman happens to pop his head up.

By the way, I and many others here I am sure have been in more than one bad wreck. Guess what? Both of my bad ones were due to a moron running a stop sign or light only to T-Bone me or force me to hit them due to my inability to stop, even though in both instances I was not speeding. The biggest risk out there is the Road Zombie.

 

[Z28Marcus]

Perhaps you would like to show me a study that says speeding puts others at risk.

Technically speaking, driving 1 mph over a speed that is set not scientifically, but rather by legislators is speeding. By your argument, that is putting others at risk. I don't mean to be picky, but I am trying to make the point that if the speed limits were set correctly in the first place, this would not be an issue.

Statistically speaking, the driver who drives at the 85th percentile will have the safest driving record. (Multiple independant and government studies have shown this). More often than not, the 85th percentile is above the legislated speed limit.

Proof in this is that both the accident rate and fatatility rates are lower in Germany on the Autobahns than in North America's highways system, even though the speed limits are much lower here. The reason Germany has lower rates is because enforcement there is emphasised on areas of unsafe driving, such as lane dicipline, tailgating, etc. The Germans know that speeding in itself is not dangerous.

Unfortunatly, in North America, we are all taught the speeding kills mantra, and very few governments have the balls to adjust the speedlimits.

Speeding on an empty freeway by yourself - not dangerous to others. I agree with that bit. Also there are times when you may have to speed in order to change lanes safely - we've all run into people that think it's funny or are plain oblivious to your presence or signals and will speed up to prevent you moving over, esp. when you have some a-hole tailgating you. So you mash the gas to get some good safe room to merge. I hate it when that happens and there's a cop just ahead .

Speeding in traffic where others are moving at significantly slower rate (i.e. obeying the posted limits) than you = potential for an accident. As vehicle speeds increase, so the margin for error decreases, that's whay you have to cap speeds at a level that *average* drivers can deal with. Yes it sucks that those of us who a) don't blab on cell phones while driving, b) always signal c) always look and use their mirrors and d) don't tailgate have to drive at speeds below what we and our vehicles may be capable of driving at safely, but having different rules for everyone is impractical. Poor and inattentive drivers who speed will naturally end up tailgating slower moving vehicles, cutting off others, slamming on the brakes etc.

People make mistakes when driving; um forgive me pointing out the laws of physics but when you hit something and you're moving with a high relative velocity you'll do more damage than hitting that object at a low relative velocity.

You can fool yourself all you want - anyone who thinks setting higher speed limits is the answer is *choosing* to ignore the fact that then people who speed will just speed in excess of these new posted limits. And the margins for driver error will be reduced.

By choosing to be part of society and live among others you have to accept the rules society as a whole makes for itself.

 

[RottenRonny]

Speeding on an empty freeway by yourself - not dangerous to others. I agree with that bit. Also there are times when you may have to speed in order to change lanes safely - we've all run into people that think it's funny or are plain oblivious to your presence or signals and will speed up to prevent you moving over, esp. when you have some a-hole tailgating you. So you mash the gas to get some good safe room to merge. I hate it when that happens and there's a cop just ahead .

Speeding in traffic where others are moving at significantly slower rate (i.e. obeying the posted limits) than you = potential for an accident. As vehicle speeds increase, so the margin for error decreases, that's whay you have to cap speeds at a level that *average* drivers can deal with. Yes it sucks that those of us who a) don't blab on cell phones while driving, b) always signal c) always look and use their mirrors and d) don't tailgate have to drive at speeds below what we and our vehicles may be capable of driving at safely, but having different rules for everyone is impractical. Poor and inattentive drivers who speed will naturally end up tailgating slower moving vehicles, cutting off others, slamming on the brakes etc.

People make mistakes when driving; um forgive me pointing out the laws of physics but when you hit something and you're moving with a high relative velocity you'll do more damage than hitting that object at a low relative velocity.

You can fool yourself all you want - anyone who thinks setting higher speed limits is the answer is *choosing* to ignore the fact that then people who speed will just speed in excess of these new posted limits. And the margins for driver error will be reduced.

By choosing to be part of society and live among others you have to accept the rules society as a whole makes for itself.

I have to agree with some of what you said. You said driving a signifigantly different speed than the rest of the traffic can cause problems. You're correct, it can. You also state the laws of physics say more energy is envolved in a higher speed colision. You're correct, it.

The point I have been trying to make in this thread, is that it isn't the speed that is the problem. Its the non-complience with the other laws. When these other laws are broken, and cause an accident, I won't deny that a higher speed impact will make it worse. I am trying to point out that a lower speedlimit is a band-aid solution for the other dangerous activities going on, on the roadway.

IF people would use the proper lanes, and signal properly this would be less of an issue. I wrote IF in capital letters because most police agencies don't target this type of driving thefore making higher speedlimits in north america unrealistic. However, in a few jurisdictions (mine included) this type of driving was targeted, and the speedlimites were raised successfully.

Furthermore, I am not avocating raising speedlimits well beyond what they are today. The fact of the matter is most drivers choose the speed they travel at based on the speed of the traffic flow, road conditions, etc, and not the posted speed limit. This flow is more often than not above the posted speed limit. Therefore, why not raise the limit to to a more appropriate level, such that these people are not breaking the law.

You mention that that if the limit is raised, then people will just travel faster. That is your opinion, however the facts show a different outcome. For example, the report "Effects of Raising and Lowering Speed Limits" (http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html) States the following:

Raising speed limits by 5, 10, or 15 mi/h (8, 16, or 25 km/h) at the rural and urban sites had a minor effect on vehicle speeds. In other words, an increase in the posted speed limit did not create a corresponding increase in vehicle speeds.

Raising speed limits in the region of the 85th percentile speed has an extremely beneficial effect on drivers complying with the posted speed limits.

Again, I must stress, I am NOT talking about just driving with the hammer down all the time. As pointed out by another poster, there is areas where it is prudent to slow down (even below the posted limit) at times, such as school, or construction zones, or areas where you have reduced visibility either due to weather or the landscape, or other factors.

I have done alot of research on this topic. As I pointed out above in another post, myself and others were able to convince government to raise the speedlimits by 10% on divided multilane highways. The end result was a lower fatality rate and higher complience with the speed limit.

As I said, this is a topic I have spent much time researching. I have found no scientific studies that state the opposite. If you would be willing to bring one of these to the table, I would be happy to debate it with you. However, it seems people are arguing their opinion against fact. In that case, I would rather not waste my time any further with such a debate.

 

[The Fang]

Aren't you the moderator of the Grand Marquis forum?
I've also seen f'ers like you goin 45 in a 65 Zone.

Nope! and u aint seen me doing that either. sorry hope I didn't affend u.


I believe that many so called accidents are the misjudgement in calculating distances also. atleast thats what happened to me when the man turned infront of me and I was right on the limit.
As that guy on the radio says there isn't anything such as an accident, It's operator error.

 

[abouttobeglue]

no one mentioned this, but be honest, its worked for me when i got puled over doing 55 in a 25 mph school zone. everyone else was doing the same, i just didnt see the cop shooting radar in the apartments driveway. i cut the truck off, had my license and insurance ready, he came up asked if i knew why he pulled me over, i said yes sir i was speeding(in a remorseful tone, not like a wiseass), ran my license got a verbal warning.
my brother got pulled over doing 75 in a 55 by a state trooper, got out of the car walked towards the officers, both had their hands on their guns told him to get back in the car, needless to say he got a ticket.